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Evolution

83 comments, 1065 views, posted 11:26 pm 07/03/2019 in Geek by griffin
griffin has 15615 posts, 2193 threads, 685 points

Cell to Singularity is an idle science game about the evolution of life on Earth.

This is a lie. It is a total time suck.

I evolved tetrapods!

Extra Points Given by:

Flee (10), dr3n (5), evolution (5), REALITY (10), HariSeldon (5), superuser (10)

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1:19 pm 13/03/2019

griffin

Quote by marksyzm:
Not really, just having faith in what one sees in front of them


Proof denies faith. You don't have faith in what you see, merely belief. Q wants to be rigid when it suits him, and not apply his own logic in an evenhanded manner. People believe in gods because they are told to as children, not because there is any evidence that a single one of them has ever existed.

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1:22 pm 13/03/2019

dr3n

Give me a child until he is seven and I will show you the man.

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2:42 pm 13/03/2019

griffin

Quote by dr3n:
Give me a child until he is seven and I will show you the man.


How very Jesuit of you.

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4:17 pm 13/03/2019

marksyzm

Quote by griffin:
Proof denies faith. You don't have faith in what you see, merely belief.


I see friends, I see life, I see people come my way to help, I have faith in that there is good in the world, for what we exist. Proof is about as relevant as the infinite possibilities we've aforementioned.

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2:41 am 14/03/2019

Quaektem

Quote by dr3n:
i admit.. it is really hard to get your head around.. and i think its worth pointing out that im not an expert on this by any stretch.. im just a commoner from the black country.. but equally - if anyone else says that they can explain this to you properly then they are either lying or mistaken.. nobody understands this fully.. yet.. but even so, infinity is pretty big.. so mathematically - given an infinite amount of space and time then everything that can happen will.. so for example, this morning when you got up and made the choice to put your blue socks on, in some other point of time and space in this infinite universe - you will wake up and put red socks on.. is this happening now? probably not.. but the important thing to note is that the potential for this to happen at some point and that it will happen is there because there are an infinite number of possibilities that can/will play out..

We don't live in an infinite universe. If the multiverse theory holds up (and that would be a 5th dimension argument) sure. If we limit ourselves to the humble four dimensions we can observe (length, width, height, time.. which by default has us existing in an infinitely more complex fifth dimension) I can agree, philosophically, that it's a possibility. This a discussion of science though, and we should be limiting our discussion to the four perceivable, provable, dimensions.

Don't get me wrong, I am all about theorizing about higher dimensions and how they might affect our view of the universe... but like I said earlier, this isn't the thread I want to go there. Even if I did, I still can't explain the creation of life. Hell, I struggle to explain how it ends now that I've experienced a few recently.

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3:00 am 14/03/2019

Quaektem

Quote by griffin:
we have faith in the easy answer?



FIFY.

Quote by griffin:
Deists and agnostics share an infantile worldview, in which they are prepared to believe (generally speaking, and despite all evidence) that a god may or does exist.



This is a more complex of an issue than you may understand (clearly since you threw agnostics under the bus when the atheists are the ones declaring absolute truth).

I have personal evidence that would never convince another person on this planet that my gods exist. I have had experiences (without the use of drugs or alcohol...) that I can't in any way explain convincingly to you or anyone else that hasn't had similar experiences so I don't other to try. Jung had the best scientific explanation for my gods, but like many things, until you have the experience you can't really get it. I also accept that I may be wrong, so I don't go around pissing on other people's beliefs. Bible-thumpers and atheists are the two religious groups I try to actively avoid for the same reason... blind, uneducated faith in the absolute.

Quote by griffin:
Yet logically they should believe in (or have some 'reasonable doubt' ) about a host of monsters, ghouls, vampires, genies, sprites, elves, boogeymen, imps, angels, demons, gremlins and about two and a half thousand named gods and goddesses.



You have an interestingly infantile understanding of logic. I'm surprised you had enough restraint to leave out Santa Clause, the Easter Bunny and the poor calcium addict, the Tooth Fairy. Mark will understand... the discussion to explain these to you is a long one with many nuances not easily conveyed through text. I'm open to starting a phone conversation if you're interested...

Quote by griffin:
Like an anti-vaxxer who doubts the entire medical community on just one subject, deists likewise make no sense. If you are will concede one god/spirit/whatever, then equally you should admit the whole kit and kaboodle since the evidence is the same for the whole pack of them: none at all.



This also makes little sense to anyone other than an atheist.

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3:12 am 14/03/2019

griffin

Quote by Quaektem:
This is a more complex of an issue than you may understand


Nope. Very straight forward, very simple.

Quote by Quaektem:
I have personal evidence


Everyone does. Hurray for everyone.

Quote by Quaektem:
I don't go around pissing on other people's beliefs


Ha. That's why my response. Because you did.
People believe in a lot of stupid shit that is not warranted by any evidence.

I believe that this is probably the biggest problem facing our species.


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3:12 am 14/03/2019

Quaektem

Quote by griffin:
Proof denies faith. You don't have faith in what you see, merely belief. Q wants to be rigid when it suits him, and not apply his own logic in an evenhanded manner. People believe in gods because they are told to as children, not because there is any evidence that a single one of them has ever existed.



In a way your first two sentences are correct.

I try (and I'm sure I fail... human here!) to do just the opposite of what you accuse me of. I try to be flexible and understanding... fuck, LV was my best friend and we disagreed profoundly on religion and one polarity of politics. I try to talk to people in their terminology if I know and understand it, and I knew and understood Christianity and can respect it's role in other people's lives (to the point it affects mine). I was raised Christian, became pagan and ultimately Wiccan much to the dismay of those that raised me. You do have a point though, the most disenfranchised and most un-Christian (insert any religion here) are the ones indoctrinated into the faith and are never challenged (Bible Thumpers).

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3:13 am 14/03/2019

Flee

I am agnostic and I am nothing close to a deist. Deists and atheists would be more similar as they deal in absolutes.

But I'm agnostic in the sense that I don't care either way, and am not going to spend any amount of time bothering with the subject. Atheists can be just as fervent in their beliefs and sometimes more so than deists.

The chances of finding out what’s really going on in the universe are so remote, the only thing to do is hang the sense of it and keep yourself occupied.
- Slartibartfast

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3:16 am 14/03/2019

griffin

Quote by Flee:
Atheists can be just as fervent in their beliefs and sometimes more so than deists.


Get the fuck. Been rounded up and burned at the stake by any atheist inquisitions lately?

Answers on a self addressed postcard....

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3:17 am 14/03/2019

Flee

Speaking about today, not many moons ago.

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3:18 am 14/03/2019

Flee

But on your note, that was less about religion and more about power and control. Religion was just a tool.

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3:20 am 14/03/2019

Quaektem

Quote by griffin:
Ha. That's why my response. Because you did.
People believe in a lot of stupid shit that is not warranted by any evidence.

I believe that this is probably the biggest problem facing our species.



Which belief? Atheism?

Quote by griffin:
Get the fuck. Been rounded up and burned at the stake by any atheist inquisitions lately?

Answers on a self addressed postcard....



Oh, see I was typing an apology. Look into the recent history of Mao's China and what they do to Christians even today. Socialist atheists have cause quite a bit of genocide in the last century, at least the last witch burned by Christians was four hundred years ago.

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3:20 am 14/03/2019

griffin

Quote by Flee:
Speaking about today, not many moons ago.


You've lost me. I don't follow your argument.

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3:22 am 14/03/2019

Flee

My comment about atheists being more fervent was in reference to the present, not the past.

Oh so many horrific things have been done in the name of religion in the past, and even today with the religion that must not be named, but I was speaking about todays atheism vs. Catholicism

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3:23 am 14/03/2019

griffin

Quote by Quaektem:
Quote by griffin:
Ha. That's why my response. Because you did.
People believe in a lot of stupid shit that is not warranted by any evidence.

I believe that this is probably the biggest problem facing our species.


Which belief? Atheism?

Quote by griffin:
Get the fuck. Been rounded up and burned at the stake by any atheist inquisitions lately?

Answers on a self addressed postcard....


Oh, see I was typing an apology. Look into the recent history of Mao's China and what they do to Christians even today. Socialist atheists have cause quite a bit of genocide in the last century, at least the last witch burned by Christians was four hundred years ago.


This is the stupidest shit I have seen today. I will not dignify this shit any further.

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3:28 am 14/03/2019

Quaektem

Quote by griffin:
This is the stupidest shit I have seen today. I will not dignify this shit any further.



You are an interesting guy. We had a heated debate years ago about whether Atheism was a religion, and you denied it over and over... yet here you are acting like a Christian who doesn't know enough about his own faith to have an honest conversation about it.

Communists are atheists. They crush other faiths because, like you, they find them trite and an impediment to the greater plan. Communists have killed more people than Nazis and Christians combined. Funny how you accuse me of using logic indiscriminately.

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3:30 am 14/03/2019

griffin


No relevance whatsoever. China does bad shit. No surprise. The puzzle is why you think this is relevant.

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3:34 am 14/03/2019

griffin

Quote by Quaektem:
Communists are atheists. They crush other faiths because, like you, they find them trite and an impediment to the greater plan.


Whoah, So stupid shit does go up to eleven.

Quote by Quaektem:
Communists have killed more people than Nazis and Christians combined. Funny how you accuse me of using logic indiscriminately.


Holy fuck, do you even read the stupid shit you write before you hit the "Yeah I'm that fucking dumb" button?

Lol. Seriously. Ha ha ha ha.

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4:10 am 14/03/2019

Flee

Fervent.

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7:51 am 14/03/2019

dr3n

Quote by Quaektem:
We don't live in an infinite universe.


science says otherwise...

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11:57 am 14/03/2019

Quaektem

We know it's age and size. That means it's not infinite. Even the video you posted doesn't say it's infinite.

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12:42 pm 14/03/2019

Flee

It hasn't stopped growing. We know that much.

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1:02 pm 14/03/2019

dr3n

Quote by Quaektem:
We know it's age and size. That means it's not infinite. Even the video you posted doesn't say it's infinite.


and we know that its expanding as well.. at a speed which is greater/faster than light.. and that this expansion is also remarkably speeding up.. we have also tested if it is infinite and the conclusion is that it is... to be honest i didnt even watch that other video.. i just grabbed it and posted it..

but.. like i mentioned before.. this is what we know now.. nobody understands this fully q.. nobody is sure if it will keep expanding indefinitely or will at some point bounce back and contract to nothing for example..

this area of topic has many, many, many gaps and holes and at no point should you consider any of what we currently know to be either the full picture or even correct..

but going back to the original point in hand.. if even the smallest part of what we currently think is accurate then the chemical process which kickstarted life off here on our sunny little bit of planet is no more extraordinary than a fart in a bathtub..

oh.. atheism still isnt a belief btw.. its a lack of belief.. but we've had that conversation before...

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