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Would you?

18 comments, 322 views, posted 4:08 pm 04/03/2011 in Irritating n00b Babble by Rosie
Rosie has 2928 posts, 1358 threads, 107 points, location: FL USA
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Suppose there were an experience machine that would give you any experience you desired. Superduper neuropsychologists could stimulate your brain so that you would think and feel you were writing a great novel, or making a friend, or reading an interesting book. All the time you would be floating in a tank, with electrodes attached to your brain. Should you plug into this machine for life, preprogramming your life’s experiences? If you are worried about missing out on desirable experiences, we can suppose that business enterprises have researched thoroughly the lives of many others. You can pick and choose from their large library or smorgasbord of such experiences, selecting your life’s experiences for, say, the next two years. After two years have passed, you will have ten minutes or ten hours out of the tank, to select the experiences of your next two years. Of course, while in the tank you won’t know that you’re there; you’ll think it’s all actually happening. … Would you plug in?

– Robert Nozick, Anarchy, State, and Utopia, 1974

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4:44 pm 04/03/2011

Vormid

Quote by Rosie:
Would you plug in?

Maybe I already have.

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4:57 pm 04/03/2011

Quaektem

Then you need to fire the guy who entered your program!

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5:23 pm 04/03/2011

djskitzy

I would, but only if I'd lost my family.... I'm too chicken to kill myself, so an imaginary world of whatever I wanted would be cool... I'd live a perfect life with my family again and not know they no longer alive....

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5:37 pm 04/03/2011

Ram

Everything is theoretically impossible, until it is done.

Robert A. Heinlein

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5:51 pm 04/03/2011

Flee

The matrix circa 1974. This where the W Bros got the Matrix idea from?

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5:54 pm 04/03/2011

DarkHelmet

If you could do it for a couple weeks, it sounds like the perfect way to have a vacation at the Playboy mansion.

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5:54 pm 04/03/2011

Flee

Oooo, like Total Recall... GET YOUR ASS TO MARS!

Quaid.... start....the...reactor... after banging the 3 tittied chick, of course.

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6:15 pm 04/03/2011

mohit_117

Suppose there were an experience computer that would give you any wikied experience you desired. Superduper high speed neuropsychologists could stimulate your graphics card so that you would think and feel you were writing a great ebook, or making a email friend, or reading an blog. All the time you would be fiddling with your xbox controller, with ISO's mounted to from your hard disk. Should you download the emulators and ubisoft games whlie you plug into this machine for life, video blogging your points and achievement rankings? If you are worried about missing out on previous Linux bundles, we can suppose that M$ & Google enterprises have researched thoroughly the lives of many others. You can pick and choose from their large library or beta versions of such experiences, selecting your PSN Gameplay trophies for, say, the next two years. After two years have passed, you will have ten more ISO's to download or ten more reboots of the trial OS left, to obtain more knowledge of the so given gadgets and super machines. Of course, while in the tank you won’t know that which COD it is; you’ll think it’s all actually the latest patched crack available … Would you download SKIDROW or RELOADED?

– Robert The PC Bomb, Silent Hunter, Cracked Servers, State, and Utopia, 2011.

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6:20 pm 04/03/2011

mohit_117

Just edited, for the fun...

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6:20 pm 04/03/2011

thecrookedman

Quote by Flee:
The matrix circa 1974. This where the W Bros got the Matrix idea from?


I know of at least one older version of the idea of virtual reality, Descartes' "evil daemon".

The evil daemon presents a complete illusion of an external world, including other people, to Descartes' senses, where in fact there is no such external world in existence. The evil genius also presents to Descartes' senses a complete illusion of his own body, including all bodily sensations, where in fact Descartes has no body.

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6:21 pm 04/03/2011

thecrookedman

Also, this thread gives me another chance to recommend David Deutsch's The Fabric of Reality.

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6:23 pm 04/03/2011

mohit_117

Quote by flee:
Matrix

Matrix and Hinduism / Buddhism have a very common ideology: We are all living in a Dream. True Enlightment is the waking up from that dream.

Matrix could just be an advanced simplified way of putting all the sanskrit texts of hinduism to visual form.

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6:37 pm 04/03/2011

thecrookedman

I think the Matrix highlights the central fallacy of lots of different supernatural systems of belief, like Hinduism/Buddhism as described by mohit_117. Namely, that there are two realities, the one we perceive and the real one.

While I agree that our perceptions of reality may be way off (see Plato's "Allegory of the Cave"), I don't think that rises to the level of nested dream or Matrix-style realities.

But if we are to assume that we are living in some kind of simulation, it seems arbitrary to assume that we are just one "floor" away from "true" reality (the Programmers, Dreamers, God...). Why not three, seven, or a thousand layers deep? We are in a Matrix programmed by people living in a Matrix created by yet another group of Matrix residents. Dreamers within a dream dreamt by dreamers themselves dreamt by a dreamer.

Choosing just the two layers seems to me to be merely a convenient way of placing your own moral and philosophical preferences in realm of the "true" and "real", above and beyond ordinary reality. I tend to think that what we see is what we get. If you're going to start introducing layered realities, who gets to say where they stop?

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6:42 pm 04/03/2011

Ram

please stop with the phallacies and sexual inyourendos

sportin' an african walnut like woodie

The Fifth Element ftw !

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6:47 pm 04/03/2011

mohit_117

Speaking of dreams...: Seen Inception?? Layered Dreams in that movie...

Also, when the matrix was released in India, it's hindi dubbed version was named: "Maya Jaal" ... maya=illusion & jaal = web.

Quote by http://www.blurtit.com/q464268.html:
Maya can mean a number of things. As a Spanish name it is just a form of writing Amalia and in the Russian it is just another form of Mary. The name Maya from Hindi has far more history and culture attached to it then the European substitutions for other names.

In short the Hindi word Maya means a dream or an illusion. In Hindu tradition Maya is personified through a great goddess along with the other two concepts of "Prakruti" or matter and "Shakti" or activity. In Hindu philosophy man relies on all three to exist but it is Maya that lets him perceive the other two. In Buddhism Maya refers to the name of the woman who conceived Buddha Shakyamuni. In scriptures her name appears as either Mahamaya or Mayadevi meaning Great Maya and Goddess Maya respectively.

Also check out this page:

http://mjsabby.com/2004/01/matrix-trilogy-bhagavad-gita.php

Hinduism was BEFORE Christianity or ANY other religion... And Bhagwad Gita was told to Arjun by Lord Krishna...

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6:54 pm 04/03/2011

thecrookedman

I think it might be fairer to say that Hinduism is the oldest organized religion still practiced today. It seems probable to me that there were older systems of belief that predated record-keeping and which have since died out. Maybe we could even count generic animism or pantheism, although they may not be organized enough to warrant the "religion" label.

I just finished a beautifully illustrated summary of the Ramayana by the way. Great story. Jaya Rama! Jaya Hanuman!

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8:42 pm 04/03/2011

blackspy

It'd be a pretty awesome pr0n machine.

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4:12 pm 09/04/2011

Giggles

Quote by Ram:
Everything is theoretically impossible, until it is done.

Robert A. Heinlein


seems like my thoughts are all rolled into this one too, Thanks Ram !

now if there was a mechine that I could go back and replay switch a few things here and there ( win some moeny ) and come back without someone finding out later well I would think harder about that type, heeeeeeeee

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