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Anti-gun... Anti-gay?

26 comments, 443 views, posted 10:26 pm 12/06/2018 in News by Quaektem
Quaektem has 3445 posts, 212 threads, 80 points, location: It's all fun and games until someone loses an imaginary number!
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Gay Americans are arming themselves to stay alive

“I don’t want to get beaten to death, stabbed and burnt alive,” a slight woman with long blond hair and a checked shirt says. “I want a gun to feel equal.”

She is a member of one of the United States’ fastest-growing gun clubs, the jauntily named Pink Pistols.

Two years after the massacre at Orlando’s Pulse nightclub, gay, lesbian and transgender Americans are nervous. According to the Human Rights Center (HRC), a US LGBTI advocacy group, 52 gay people were murdered in the US last year because of their sexuality, and 28 transgender people met the same fate.

In increasing numbers, they are fighting back by taking up arms.

It’s brought them into lock step with pro-gun groups that haven’t, historically, been all that welcoming of gay people.

Australian journalist Patrick Abboud traveled to the US to meet some of the new gun-toting gay people, for a report to be broadcast on Australian news show “The Feed” on Tuesday.

It was a sobering experience, he told News.com.au.

“There is one murder per week of a gay person purely because they’re gay, and that’s really horrifying. The level of homophobia and transphobia in the USA is out of control and some people told me a gun is the difference between living and dying.”

The Pink Pistols have been nicknamed the “gay NRA,” a reference to the controversial National Rifle Association that is a staunch proponent of pro-gun laws.

“I would never have thought I’d see the LGBTI community siding with incredibly conservative, right-wing, pro-gun advocates that have been publicly homophobic and transphobic — that didn’t make any sense,” Abboud explained.

But after meeting some of the gun club’s members, Abboud said, there was a real fear that had only been stoked by the country’s rabid political landscape.

Tuesday marks two years since the massacre at Pulse. Almost 50 people were gunned down by security guard Omar Mateen in a three-hour rampage.

Abboud spoke to Piper Smith, head of the Pink Pistols chapter in San Diego: “She decided to take up arms two days after Orlando because she said it was the 9/11 of [the] gay community. She couldn’t comprehend it and she genuinely didn’t want to go outside because she felt threatened just because of who she was.”

“There is a looming fear that if it can happen in Orlando, it can happen anywhere.”

The Pink Pistols now claim to have 45 regional divisions and 10,000 mostly LGBTI people on its books. They exist for a very simple reason: “We teach queers to shoot,” states the website.

“Gays that are armed and trained, don’t get bashed and killed,” said Jeff Bloovman, a nursing student and gun instructor who has become something of a poster boy for the Pink Pistols.

“Jeff breaks every stereotype,” said Abboud. “He’s super buff, super butch, the straightest gay man I have ever met and he has tons of guns in his home.”

“He spent a couple of hours showing me his guns. I couldn’t believe the number he keeps around him, I saw 35 guns, but he wouldn’t tell me how many he had.”

“Some people might say he’s a gun nut, but I spent several days with him and he’s the sweetest, gentlest, most loving guy you’d know. But he genuinely goes out every day and feels like he’s going to be attacked and his schtick is that if it happens, he’s ready.”

Abboud said the message he received was that the political divisions in US society were making gay people more fearful than they had been for some time. Others said the police could no longer be trusted to protect the LGBTI community or they took too long to react.

“Jeff said that the threat came from the culture and climate he is now living under as well as the [homophobic] things he has heard,” Abboud said.

“The HRC said there was more danger since Trump; that when the nation’s leader suggests or alludes to some minority communities being more disposable than others, that sends a message.”

https://nypost.com/2018/06/12/gay-americans-are-arming-themselves-to-stay-alive/

I still find it funny that they keep painting the first president ever elected openly supporting gay marriage as a treat to homosexuals.

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6:02 am 13/06/2018

LordViscera

and isn't it also ironic that if the party that is supposedly pro-gay gets back in power, they will remove their ability to bear arms and defend themselves? It's an interesting series of bedfellows that this political circus has conjured up

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8:18 am 13/06/2018

dr3n

isn't it more ironic that people think gay people should have to carry a gun simply because they are gay and will therefore need to defend themselves because they are gay?

that's massively gay thinking right there if you ask me...

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3:27 pm 13/06/2018

LordViscera

Quote by dr3n:
isn't it more ironic that people think gay people should have to carry a gun simply because they are gay and will therefore need to defend themselves because they are gay?

that's massively gay thinking right there if you ask me...


take the birdseye view. If you fear for your life or safety or well being, shouldn't you be able to defend yourself? Yes, it's wrong that the gay community has to ar themselves to feel that they are safe. The same for women, minorities, religious groups, but we live in a world where hatred, fear, anger greed jealousy all exist. Some places those things exist in greater concentration. But, as is the popular theme of the day,

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3:47 pm 13/06/2018

elsels

Good for them, the second anniversary of the Pulse shooting was yesterday and nary a peep of that tragedy or a moment of silence for 49 members and family members of the LGBTQ community that were massacred by an ideologue monster. Let them be armed and let them be dangerous as hell. The Pulse tragedy hit hard and by God let it never happen again. A club full of sitting ducks that had no chance to defend themselves.

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5:13 pm 13/06/2018

dr3n

but.. crazy as it sounds.. wouldn't it just be better if people could just ermmm live together without feeling the need to shoot each other or live with the fear of being shot in the first place??

i know.. mental idea n' all that...

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5:16 pm 13/06/2018

LordViscera

Quote by dr3n:
but.. crazy as it sounds.. wouldn't it just be better if people could just ermmm live together without feeling the need to shoot each other or live with the fear of being shot in the first place??

i know.. mental idea n' all that...


yes, and wouldn't it be wonderful if Christmas was every day and we could live in harmony? But since we can't as evidenced by lunatics who choose to kill unarmed and defenseless people for shits and giggles, maybe a more concrete solution needs to be spoken about instead of singing kumbaya my lord and hoping for the best

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5:23 pm 13/06/2018

dr3n

its not Christmas here today... and i can honestly say that when i go out in a bit to take my daughter to brownies being shot or feeling so scared that i need to take a glock with me in case i might be shot isn't really up there on my list of concerns..

i mean.. it might rain.. it does look a bit iffy out there.. and its gone awfully close.. but i think.. we should be ok...

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5:25 pm 13/06/2018

LordViscera

that's good, sadly do you think the Pulse patrons felt similarly that night? They probably did right up intil the AK-47s were discharging their rounds from a balcony

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5:41 pm 13/06/2018

dr3n

no.. i suppose they didn't.. and it breaks my heart to think that you cant feel safe without the need for everyone to carry guns.. i mean.. your kids get shot at school and people blame the amount of doors ? its just awful..

but i promise.. and please take this from somebody who lives in a country with gun laws.. not many people who are going clubbing this weekend will be worried about being shot...

we prefer a good old fashioned knife fight instead..

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7:28 pm 13/06/2018

tricpe

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8:06 pm 13/06/2018

LordViscera

no you have real enemies, what you have is imaginary safety

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8:09 pm 13/06/2018

LordViscera

Quote by dr3n:
and it breaks my heart to think that you cant feel safe without the need for everyone to carry guns


I feel safe, not everyone has the same environment as I do, and not everyone is the same ethnic/accepted status I am. As a white Christian male in America, I get a lot of words thrown at me, but I'm not concerned with cops shooting me because of my race, or getting assaulted because of the bar I go into to socialize. (But as a NY Yankee fan, I'm not dumb enough to wear my garb to Red Sox events, as they are crazy)

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3:09 am 14/06/2018

Quaektem

Quote by dr3n:

we prefer a good old fashioned knife fight instead..



Dead is dead.

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4:26 am 14/06/2018

LordViscera

but at least no guns and I guess brandishing a knife isn't going to instill fear

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4:38 am 14/06/2018

Quaektem

Really? I've had both pulled on me. Neither of those incidents were devoid of fear. At least it was cops pulling the guns...

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7:16 am 14/06/2018

tricpe

Quote by LordViscera:
no you have real enemies, what you have is imaginary safety

I'm just happy about "your" "real" enemies, safe in the knowledge that you keep them in your prayers, just like Jesus told you to! [/sarcasm]

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8:05 am 14/06/2018

dr3n

there is a bit of a difference though.. yes we have knife crime in the UK (honestly though.. its not as bad as Trump makes out by any stretch of the imagination).. but despite this knife crime 99.9% of us don't feel the need to carry a longsword when we go to the cinema or down the shops..

i think you hit the nail on the head though - you perceive there to be gun violence, so you feel the need to arm people first rather than try and fix the root cause of the problem..

its a vicious circle.. but (fingers crossed!) your next generation (by the look of it) are starting to fight the lies you are being fed by the NRA and the countless government officials that are being employed/paid by the NRA - who are telling you that you need to arm yourselves because other people have guns..

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10:18 am 14/06/2018

REALITY

3 dead in Ipswich last night you think the victims didn't think, damn I wish I had at least a 50/50 chance here, a way of defending my self? Or are we back on the 'part and parcel' just suck it up train tracks?

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10:29 am 14/06/2018

dr3n

yeah.. definitely not saying that its not happening bud...

but when you go out later today (down Waitrose or wherever you do your shop) are you going to take the kitchen knife with you just in case??

or to make it more inline with the point of this thread.. do you think we should inform all gay people to carry knives from now on just in case somebody who doesnt like gay people has a knife and might stab them??

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12:09 pm 14/06/2018

REALITY

I'm sure there are many many millions of Americans who don't feel the need to carry guns around either.

To bring it in line with the thread. No, because it's illegal to defend yourself with equal force in the UK.

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12:41 pm 14/06/2018

dr3n

yep agreed.. plus we dont have the majority of our politicians telling us to buy sheffield steel knives because we could get stabbed either...

which helps..

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12:53 pm 14/06/2018

REALITY

No but the difference between stabbing someone and shooting someone is truly worlds apart.

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2:33 pm 14/06/2018

Flee

Quote by dr3n:

its a vicious circle.. but (fingers crossed!) your next generation (by the look of it) are starting to fight the lies you are being fed by the NRA and the countless government officials that are being employed/paid by the NRA - who are telling you that you need to arm yourselves because other people have guns..


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5:01 am 15/06/2018

LordViscera

Quote by tricpe:
Quote by LordViscera:
no you have real enemies, what you have is imaginary safety
I'm just happy about "your" "real" enemies, safe in the knowledge that you keep them in your prayers, just like Jesus told you to! [/sarcasm]


I do, but if there was any understanding of scripture, it also says that you aren't supposed to lay down like a dog and let people abuse and hurt you. But why bother actually expecting you to know what you are talking about before making a snarky comment (/notsarcasm)

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5:12 am 15/06/2018

LordViscera

tricpe, just for your info, I've lived in NYC and Denver. I had incidents in both cities where someone pulled weapons on me. Not to run around and kill me, but to rob me. Now, in NYC I was a bouncer, so I had a steel baton that was concealed under my jacket. As he "asked" me to give him my wallet, I drew the weapon (as he had a knife) and he shit his pants and the situation ended. You know why? I was armed and willing to defend myself. Now I don't know how you would have responded, and I don't really care as it isn't pertinent to me what you would do, but I do know my date was happy that I resisted as she felt threatened and was afraid for her safety as well. I've also had a pistol drawn on me, both by a police officer and an assailant. Since I didn't have a reasonable ability to resist (and the cop I wouldn't have anyway) I submitted. The situation was also different as I was alone each time. So your sarcastic hypothesis isn't moving to me about praying for my enemies, I do and did pray that that person changed their lives and didn't hurt anyone else, but the guy with the knife I had the ability to stop him in that moment. And who knows, maybe the thought of someone caving in his head made him think twice about doing something like that again. Maybe it didn't. Maybe he went and acquired a gun after that. Either way, this fantasy that gun opponents have about the criminals aren't going to use their weapons if we don't have them is delusional. If you want to lose your life (or maybe a loved one's life) due to your stance, more power to you. I choose not to.

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