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Employers could save billions by dropping workers from health plans

18 comments, 168 views, posted 10:47 pm 01/05/2012 in Politics by Viscera
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A new survey of Fortune 100 companies finds that the health care overhaul, contrary to the claims of its authors, created some perverse incentives for employers to drop workers from company insurance plans.
Republicans on the House Ways and Means Committee surveyed the top 100 companies about how much they spent on health care -- a total of 71, covering 5.9 million employees, responded. The results suggested it would be far more attractive for companies to drop workers from those plans than keep them.
Even after paying a penalty of $2,000 per employee, the companies stand to save $28.6 billion in 2014 alone by shifting employees to health insurance exchanges governed by strict federal standards. The companies stand to save more than $422 billion over the first 10 years of the law by doing this.
"The penalties for the employers who drop coverage are very low, and the subsidies for the workers in the exchanges are very high," said James Capretta, with the Ethics and Public Policy Center.
If the companies indeed take this step, the move would fly in the face of pledges by the law's backers, including President Obama, that U.S. workers would not lose their employer-provided health plans.
Shifting over to the insurance exchanges, while potentially a hassle for employees who had that decision mostly taken care of at their jobs, might not necessarily be a bad thing.
The new exchanges would offer several choices of plans, and workers would get generous federal subsidies -- which only phase out at about $88,000 income.
The exchanges could be attractive to both employers and workers. That is especially true of small employers. Many companies would not want to be the first to drop coverage, but if a competitor did, others might feel compelled to follow suit, causing a snowball effect.
No one knows how many companies could drop insurance and shift workers to the exchanges.
But the attraction is apparent -- they could pay the fine, save several thousand dollars per worker and offer to share part of that savings in higher wages.
The higher cost of subsidies, though, would fall on the taxpayers.
Yet some analysts argue large companies would be reluctant to drop coverage.
"I think competition for labor is still intense and to recruit and retain a talented work force you've got to provide generous benefits," said Andrew Webber, president of the National Business Coalition on Health.
But Neil Trautwein, vice president of the National Retail Federation, said that "in a pure dollars and cents standpoint, it could not be more clear -- you save a lot of money, hundreds of millions of dollars for some of these companies, by no longer providing coverage."

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12:12 am 02/05/2012

Quaektem

If only we could have forseen something like this before passing Obamacare... it's not like half of the country didn't see this coming a couple years ago or anything.

LIE!

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3:12 am 02/05/2012

Viscera

what a crock of sh*t

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3:26 am 02/05/2012

Flee

I love how the blame for companies dropping health care is put on the govt... You guys seem to accept the fact that Corps are pure assholes, yet you continue to blame the govt for trying to do some good. Granted, the govts plan may be flawed, but it doesnt excuse the fact that Corps are nothing but selfish dicks.

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3:30 am 02/05/2012

Viscera

If you go on the premise that....a company is going to do whatever it takes to turn a profit (or more of a profit) then don't you see it as disingenuous that the govt is compelling their citizens (under penalty of fines at least and imprisonment at worst) and then making the "deterrent" insignificant to cutting those benefits? The entire reason benefits have grown to the level they have is...they are poart of the compensation of an employee. Now there is no reason to offer them. The govt has enabled them to skip out on the issue. If the govt stays out of it, then the market takes care of itself. That plus the idiot who insisted on this legislature lied about the penalties or the wxistence of the atmosphere that would allow this.

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3:34 am 02/05/2012

Flee

I would love for the US to basically abolish the govt. I am interested to see if the theory that "the market takes care of itself" would actually happen. I doubt it would, personally. Regulations are (supposed to be) designed to protect the citizen from Corps. We have seen what happens with deregulation time and time again, and the result is always a bubble/depression.

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3:35 am 02/05/2012

Viscera

I have no problems with minimal regulations, but how can you compare a regulation meant for the good of the fair market to, demonizing and then insuring that an entire industry that the govt is now a participant in fails as good?

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3:40 am 02/05/2012

Flee

I agree that "Obamacare" is poorly done and should be scrapped, but scrapped for a better plan instead of nothing. There is also the fact that every president just lines the pockets of his "friends", so no plan would be without motives.

Which ever side is running the show, you have citizens endlessly complaining.... complaints are useless. Action is what is necessary, but the 2 party system has fucked over the citizens. What you need is a movement where ordinary people are funding other ordinary people as a 3rd party. Of course the media won't help the cause, but that just means they have to try harder to get the votes. The internet has proven to be a very useful tool in this respect.

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4:02 am 02/05/2012

bytehead

Obama wanted something the he thought could get passed.

It seems the way to go is just go single payer and be done with it.

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4:04 am 02/05/2012

Quaektem

Quote by Flee:
We have seen what happens with deregulation time and time again, and the result is always a bubble/depression.



There are two types of regulation. The good kind focuses on transparency (so everyone can know what they are consuming), consistency (so the quality is the same across the board if given a stamp of approval), and general safety. The bad kind pushes an agenda (such as pushing the cost of coal fired plants up to bankrupt them), arbitrarily increase compliance costs without a benefit (which favor big corporations over small business), or simply add another layer of red tape to existing regulation.

I think all businesses should have well lit exit signs with back-up power. In an emergency this allows people to know how to get out, saving lives in the process. It costs businesses money but the greater good is served, and since the customer or employee has no choice of when an emergence will occur they have no reasonable expectation to make a note of the exits before hand. This is a reasonable regulation that makes minimal impact on people's freedom.

I do not think smoking should be banned in every restaurant. People are aware of the risks and have the capability to choose where they eat or work to avoid exposure if they wish. Compliance costs businesses money by reducing the customer base and mandating the purchase of 'No Smoking Signs' and the cost to tax-payers for people to enforce the rules. This is a bad regulation that infringes on people's freedom to enjoy a legal substance. Also note, that if the purpose of the law is to prevent people from smoking the most expedient way would be to make smoking illegal.

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4:28 am 02/05/2012

Flee

I agree with that. The deregulation I was referring to was mainly around the financial sector. Allow bank to merge with insurance, etc was a bad idea.

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11:44 am 02/05/2012

Viscera

Quote by Quaektem:
I do not think smoking should be banned in every restaurant. People are aware of the risks and have the capability to choose where they eat or work to avoid exposure if they wish.


the main argument for this when I was in NYC was, the health of the employees. There are cases where someones job is at stake. There were waitstaff when I worked in Manhattan that would have been out of a job if they "decided" they wouldn't work in a smoking station. In that case, is it right to force someone who doesn't want to be exposed to smoke to work in that environment?

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11:47 am 02/05/2012

Viscera

Quote by bytehead:
It seems the way to go is just go single payer and be done with it.


what would the benefits be to that?? If we are talking about getting rid opf corruption, isn't consolidating this into one bureaucratic agency exactly what is the problem?

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11:50 am 02/05/2012

Viscera

btw this month my wife has "graduated" from the crappy state run insurance scam that has raised premiums over ten fold since we enrolled to Blue Cross/Blue Shield. So we have tried both parts of the equation, and simply put due to our experience with the MA system, it was a cluster f*ck

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11:53 am 02/05/2012

Quaektem

Quote by Viscera:
In that case, is it right to force someone who doesn't want to be exposed to smoke to work in that environment?

I am in a job where I am exposed to diesel fumes and combustion gas. If I don't want to be exposed to those I can work in another profession. No one forces me (or the waitresses) to do the line of work I do but since the compensation makes up for the health risks I remain (as I'm sure the waitresses would have). Prior to the regulation there were already businesses that were going non-smoking (even McDonald's!), the natural trend would have provided other options without the government making blanket rules that affected everyone.

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11:54 am 02/05/2012

Viscera

I agree, but unfortunately we ran into this. NYC started out by having smoking "sections" and it was like pulling teeth with some of the staff to get them to man those stations. Just talking experience here

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11:56 am 02/05/2012

Quaektem

I'm sure of it... but again, there are quite a few other options for employment out there if it really bothered them that much. Hell, they knew there were smoking sections when they took the job!

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5:36 pm 02/05/2012

Viscera

no that wasn't the case. The whole restaurant smoking was allowed, but not exclusively sections. That was implemented later (union hotel, all the staff were like 5-10 year vets)

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8:03 pm 02/05/2012

Quaektem

So even then, when they choose that career path they knew the conditions they would be working in. Even then, if they had a change of priorities they can put forth the effort to change careers.

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