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OK, Well This Makes It More Serious

44 comments, 462 views, posted 6:40 pm 18/05/2012 in Politics by Viscera
Viscera has 13721 posts, 1817 threads, 329 points, location: 1123 6536 5321
Jarl of Glencoe


Arizona Secretary of State Threatens to Remove Obama from Ballot
by KEITH KOFFLER on MAY 18, 2012, 8:25 AM
Arizona Secretary of State Ken Bennett is threatening to keep President Obama’s name off the state’s ballot in November unless he receives confirmation from Hawaii that it has a valid birth certificate on file for him.

Bennett, who spoke to Arizona radio host Mike Broomhead Thursday, said he requested the confirmation eight weeks ago and has not gotten it. Hawaii, he said, does not have to supply a certified copy of the birth certificate, merely send him an email confirming that it has one.

Asked by Broomhead if he would remove Obama’s name from the ballot if Hawaii fails to comply, Bennett said: “That’s possible. Or the other option would be that I would ask all the candidates, including the president, to submit a certified copy of their birth certificate.”

Despite overwhelming evidence that Obama was born in Hawaii, the issue of his birth continues to dog him. Thursday, Breitbart Big Government reported on a promotional booklet by Obama’s own literary agency listing him as having been born in Kenya.

Bennett said Hawaii law permits government officials to request verification of possession of a birth certificate in lieu of a certified copy.

“They could say yes tomorrow and the whole thing goes away,” Bennett said. “If they can’t say yes to that simple question, then it makes me wonder if we have to take it to another level. One way or another, we have to have some simple verification that people are qualified for the office if they’re going to be on the ballot here in Arizona.”

Bennett asserted that he is not a “birther” and denied accusations that he is playing to the birther crowd in Arizona because he wants to run for governor. But Bennett also hedged in stating his belief that Obama was Hawwaii-born.

“I believe the president was born in Hawaii – or at least I hope he was,” Bennett said.

Arizona, with its 11 electoral votes, is an important 2012 presidential battleground state. A Real Clear Politics average of recent polling in the state has Mitt Romney ahead by only four points.

One thing I’d like to make clear. This blog believes Obama was born in Hawaii. But it also believes threats by the Arizona Secretary of State to exclude the president from the ballot are newsworthy.

If this is the precedent set, and it is legal and allowable, this ramps up the need for this issue to be clarified. As if this is a precedent, then a swath of red states not allowing him on the ballot decides the election.

Extra Points Given by:

marksyzm (3), Quaektem (20)

Comments

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9:28 pm 18/05/2012

Flee

Its also amazing that this guy isn't ostracised due to the fact he is playing to the weak minded. Want to get in office? Please the lemmings!

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9:30 pm 18/05/2012

Viscera

that is a garden variety political strategy, no matter the party, remember the lady who thought Obama was going to pay her gasoline bills???

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9:32 pm 18/05/2012

Cnik

http://tpmdc.talkingpointsmemo.com/2009/07/dem-congressman-offering-resolution-recognizing-hawaiis-history----as-obamas-birthplace.php

Dem Congressman Offering Resolution Recognizing Hawaii's History -- As Obama's Birthplace
By Eric Kleefeld - July 27, 2009, 4:17PM
Rep. Neil Abercrombie (D-HI) is set to give the House Republicans a chance to put up or shut up on the Birtherism that is circulating among their grassroots base, Greg Sargent reports: A House resolution recognizing Hawaii as President Obama's birthplace.
Technically, the resolution's main purpose will be to celebrate the 50th anniversary of Hawaii's statehood. And while commemorating that grand history, the resolution will of course mention how the state is Obama's birthplace.
This gives Republicans a choice: Vote yes on the resolution, which would repudiate the Birthers; vote no, to endorse them; or skip the vote, which would basically be the same as voting no.
Abercrombie spokesman Dave Helfert seemed to be humorously denying that this was an effort to put the GOP on the spot. "Far be it from us to try to stir things up," said Helfert. "The president was born there, so what are you gonna do? Not mention it?"

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9:32 pm 18/05/2012

backroom

Quote by Viscera:
this is why you get questioned the way you do, there is nothing in that roll call that states what you said and I put in bold type, but yet you connect the dots that aren't there


You are wrong.
Did you read it or just go the supplied link and not look any farther?
Just the link...
Ok, here is the full text.
FULL TEXT House RC 647
You may now appologize to Cnik.

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9:33 pm 18/05/2012

Flee

Quote by Viscera:
that is a garden variety political strategy, no matter the party, remember the lady who thought Obama was going to pay her gasoline bills???


Is it not disgusting that issues don't matter and to win in politics, you have to be a howard stern/jerry springer?

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9:34 pm 18/05/2012

Cnik

HRES 593 EH
H. Res. 593
In the House of Representatives, U. S.,
July 27, 2009.
Whereas August 21, 2009, marks the 50th Anniversary of President Dwight D. Eisenhower’s signing of Proclamation 3309, which admitted Hawaii into the Union in compliance with the Hawaii Admission Act, enacted by the United States Congress on March 18, 1959;
Whereas Hawaii is ‘a place like no other, with a people like no other’ and bridges the mainland United States to the Asia-Pacific region;
Whereas the 44th President of the United States, Barack Obama, was born in Hawaii on August 4, 1961;
Whereas Hawaii has contributed to the diversity of Congress in electing--
(1) the first Native Hawaiian to serve in Congress, Prince Jonah Kuhio Kalaniana‘ole;
(2) the first Asian-American to serve in the Senate, Hiram Fong;
(3) the first woman of color to serve in Congress, Patsy T. Mink;
(4) the first Native Hawaiian to serve in the Senate, Daniel Kahikina Akaka; and
(5) the first Japanese-American to serve in the Senate, Daniel Ken Inouye;
Whereas Hawaii is an example to the rest of the world of unity and positive race relations;
Whereas Pearl Harbor is a strategic military base for the U.S. in the Pacific and also a historical site for the Nation, being the location of the December 7, 1941, surprise Japanese aerial attack that thrust the Nation into World War II;
Whereas Hawaii is home to 1/4 of the endangered species in the United States;
Whereas Hawaii has 8 national parks, which preserve volcanoes, complex ecosystems, a Hansen’s disease colony, and other sites of historical and cultural significance;
Whereas Kilauea ranks among the most active volcanoes on Earth;
Whereas President Bush nominated the Papahanaumokuakea Marine National Monument to the United Nations Educational, Scientific and Cultural Organization World Heritage Centre for consideration to the World Heritage List;
Whereas Hawaii has produced musical legends ranging from traditional favorites such as Alfred Apaka, Don Ho, and Genoa Keawe, to Hawaii renaissance performers such as Eddie Kamae, Raymond Kane, Gabby Pahinui, Israel Kamakawiwo‘ole, the Brothers Cazimero, and the Beamer Brothers, and continuing on to contemporary stars such as Keali‘i Reichel, Ledward Kaapana, Jake Shimabukuro, and Raiatea Helm;
Whereas Hawaii is culturally rich, as the Hawaiian culture has been protected through Hawaiian language immersion schools, hula competitions such as the Merrie Monarch Festival, canoeing voyages undertaken by vessels like the Hokule‘a, and the continuing historic preservation of Hawaiian traditions;
Whereas the Hawaii Statehood Commission has held a Joint Session of the Hawaii State Legislature in honor of statehood and will be celebrating this milestone with a public discussion and with the arrival of the USS Hawaii; and
Whereas for all of these reasons Hawaii is a truly unique State: Now, therefore, be it
Resolved, That the House of Representatives recognizes and celebrates the 50th Anniversary of the entry of Hawaii into the Union as the 50th State.


    Attest:
    Clerk.


    http://www.govtrack.us/congress/bills/111/hres593/text

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    9:37 pm 18/05/2012

    Viscera

    I truly apologize cnik, the comments weren't in the link I cited, sorry for being an ass

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    9:39 pm 18/05/2012

    backroom

    I also appologize to you for being an ass on Cniks part.
    (that did not come out like it was supposed to.)

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    9:40 pm 18/05/2012

    Viscera

    well now, I quote my esteemed colleague cnik,, case closed.

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    9:40 pm 18/05/2012

    Viscera

    Quote by backroom:
    I also appologize to you for being an ass on Cniks part.
    (that did not come out like it was supposed to.)


    no worries, I deserved it thanks for pointing out the oversight

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    10:46 pm 18/05/2012

    Quaektem

    Quote by Cnik:
    Don't forget about the ones who still think he's a muslim.....a muslim who apparently goes to a christian church run by rev wright.....

    ... but didn't hear or agree with anything Wright said for fifteen years!

    I don't know what his religion is because, like the promotional material saying he was born in Kenya, he plays whatever side he thinks will help him.

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    11:01 pm 18/05/2012

    elsels

    AZ the shining light of the west! Kidding!

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    11:18 pm 18/05/2012

    Quaektem

    Quote by Viscera:
    well now, I quote my esteemed colleague cnik,, case closed.



    Why? It has subjective and objective references scattered without...

    Or are you suggesting all Arnold Schwarzenegger needs to be president is someone to slip a line into a 3,000 word bill saying "Whereas Arnold Schwarzenegger was born in California..."?

    I guess it also depends on which definition of 'Whereas' you use too

    where·as (hwâr-z, wâr-)
    conj.
    1. It being the fact that; inasmuch as.
    2. While at the same time.
    3. While on the contrary.
    n.
    1. An introductory statement to a formal document; a preamble.
    2. A conditional statement.

    The bill changes nothing, it's the same kind of useless tripe you guys have been criticizing the Republicans of doing.

    Now, that BS aside....

    Why has HI not responded to a request from a high-ranking state official in eight weeks? I can understand why Obama could be considered a 'reliable' source for the document, but HI should be... and it remains quiet on the issue. I thought (and hoped) this bullshit was over, my other post was to highlight the lack of media scrutiny... not to doubt Obama's qualifications to be president... well, not that one at least

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    11:26 pm 18/05/2012

    Flee

    Quote by Quaektem:
    Why has HI not responded to a request from a high-ranking state official in eight weeks? I can understand why Obama could be considered a 'reliable' source for the document, but HI should be..


    they did. the PDF is posted. the HI state registrar signed the mofo. Obama didn't produce his copy of this birth cert... the state of HI did.

    and regardless of rank, he still has no right/authority. Maybe HI officials are fed up with request after request when they have already sent out Obamas cert.

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    11:30 pm 18/05/2012

    Viscera

    the arguments against the bc were addressed in snopes. The article here

    Quote:
    Why? It has subjective and objective references scattered without...
    Or are you suggesting all Arnold Schwarzenegger needs to be president is someone to slip a line into a 3,000 word bill saying "Whereas Arnold Schwarzenegger was born in California..."?

    Nope, there comes a time when it doesn't look like the pursuit of justice instead it rather looks like the inability to admit that a premise was wrong. I was under the impression that the bc had flaws, it seems as though those were answered. The real issue is, even if the thing was forged, the populous of the country are going to look at this like a bs technicality since there are competing stories/experts etc. It's really a no win situation. I see reasonable explanations for the questions about the veracity of the bc, and if the reps in congress didn't agree with the statement made in that resolution, then they should have said something.

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    11:38 pm 18/05/2012

    Viscera

    Quote by Flee:
    Quote by Quaektem:
    Why has HI not responded to a request from a high-ranking state official in eight weeks? I can understand why Obama could be considered a 'reliable' source for the document, but HI should be..

    they did. the PDF is posted. the HI state registrar signed the mofo. Obama didn't produce his copy of this birth cert... the state of HI did.

    and regardless of rank, he still has no right/authority. Maybe HI officials are fed up with request after request when they have already sent out Obamas cert.


    I would imagine if HI is under the impression that they have answered the question, they prolly don't want ti waste anymore time/energy/money on this

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    11:39 pm 18/05/2012

    backroom

    Quote by Flee:
    Maybe HI officials are fed up with request after request when they have already sent out Obamas cert.


    I think we have a winner!
    How many bullshit requests do you think HI has recieved in the last 4 years?
    How many places can it be found on the internet?
    How many times has it been put to rest?

    TBH: Discussions like this, even though we pretty much agree with where he was born, only serve to fuel the non-controversy by giving yet another link for the birther freaks to reference.

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    11:51 pm 18/05/2012

    Viscera

    ooo, I like the idea that we are references for others, lol

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    12:39 am 19/05/2012

    griffin

    Quote by Viscera:
    we have to have some simple verification that people are qualified for the office if they’re going to be on the ballot here in Arizona.


    Why can't they just up the paperwork from four years ago when I'm sure they performed the same check? Obama's birthplace so I am given to understand, is unlikely to have changed in the meantime.

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