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The Era Of Government Transparency???????? ????????????

10 comments, 151 views, posted 3:16 pm 20/06/2012 in Politics by Viscera
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Lord of Glencoe

Obama grants Holder request on 'Furious' documents as contempt vote looms


President Obama has granted an 11th-hour request by Attorney General Eric Holder to exert executive privilege over Fast and Furious documents, a last-minute maneuver that appears unlikely to head off a contempt vote against Holder by Republicans in the House.
The House Oversight and Government Reform Committee is expected to forge ahead with its meeting on the contempt resolution anyway.
ORIGINAL STORY ...
House Republicans appear to be charging ahead with a high-drama contempt vote against Eric Holder, after GOP Rep. Darrell Issa said the attorney generally failed to produce the documents he requested for the probe into the Justice Department's botched Fast and Furious operation.
The House Oversight and Government Reform Committee is scheduled to meet at 10 a.m. ET on Wednesday. Barring a last-minute document dump from Holder, lawmakers are poised to vote on a contempt resolution following debate this morning.
If the vote proceeds, Republicans have more than enough votes on committee to pass the resolution. However, Holder would not be considered to be held in contempt of Congress unless and until the full House approves the measure.
Issa and Holder have been going back and forth since last week over Issa's request for documents. Issa, R-Calif., indicated a willingness to postpone the vote after Holder indicated a willingness to make compromises and supply some documents in response to House Republicans' subpoena.

But Issa told reporters after a roughly 20-minute meeting with Holder Tuesday that the attorney general instead briefed them on the documents in lieu of delivering them.
Issa told Fox News that Holder didn't provide "anything in writing," and said the family of murdered Border Patrol agent Brian Terry wants the documents as much as he does.
"We want the documents. Brian Terry's family would like the documents that are responsive to how in fact their son was gunned down with weapons that came from lawful dealers but at the ... behest of the Justice Department," Issa told Fox News.
Weapons from the Fast and Furious anti-gunrunning operation were found at Terry's murder scene.

Issa suggested earlier Tuesday that the vote could still be up in the air.
"The deadline will always move to the last minute," said Issa, chairman of the House Committee on Oversight and Government Reform. "We're not looking to hold people responsible. We're looking for document production."
The failed Fast and Furious operation attempted selling thousands of guns to arms dealers along the U.S.-Mexico border to trace them to leaders of drug cartels. However, many of them showed up in crime scenes.
Congressional investigators have been trying to determine if and when high-level Justice officials knew about problems with the operation.

Holder said Issa rejected what he thought was "an extraordinary offer."
"We offered the documents that we thought would resolve the subpoenas," he said. "The ball is in their court."
The contempt vote in the oversight committee will likely pass considering Republicans outnumber Democrats 22 to 16.
GOP House leadership has given Issa the green light to proceed how he sees fit, sources told Fox News, which suggests the vote would reach the House floor.
Holder called for the Capitol Hill meeting late Monday in a possible attempt to make a deal with Issa and avoid the contempt vote.
Maryland Rep. Elijah Cummings, the top Democrat on the House oversight panel, said he after the meeting he is confident that Justice officials are not attempting a cover-up by withholding documents.
Holder's letter stated the Justice Department "has offered a serious, good faith proposal to bring this matter to an amicable resolution in the form of a briefing based on documents that the committee could retain."

Issa had demanded to see a trove of documents on the controversial Bureau of Alcohol, Tobacco, Firearms and Explosives operation. He also wants to know who prepared a now-retracted letter from Feb. 4, 2011, in which the department claimed the U.S. did not knowingly help smuggle guns to Mexico, including those found where Terry was killed.
Issa wrote back to Holder later Monday requesting he deliver roughly 1,300 documents pertaining to the Feb. 4 letter.
The letter also stated Holder needed to deliver a description of all the documents he will not produce. Issa said the log is "essential for the committee to determine whether the department has substantially met its obligations" -- a statement he repeated Tuesday after the meeting.

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3:43 pm 20/06/2012

elsels

This is absolute crap, I want a Democrat and Liberal to go ahead and defend all the transparency of this admin. Wait there has been no transparency, yet he ran on that platform. This is the stuff of bad govt, if you think it was bad when Nixon did it, or Bush did it then what does it make it ok for him to do it. C'mon people, now we know this goes all the way to the very top, it doesn't take a rocket scientist to see that. Not good news

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4:37 pm 20/06/2012

z0phi3l

And yet the Obama apologists will insist this is THE most transparent WH EVER, when the complete opposite has happened, even with Wiklileaks, and the WH blabbing about secret missions and whatnot

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4:41 pm 20/06/2012

HariSeldon

you both are racists.

"Crap" is brown. Obviously a code word for The Anointed One's skin color.
saying that Our Fearless Leader has been the opposite of clear!? Again, a blatant code for dark-skinned.

No, obviously you are both racist which makes your argument null and void.


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5:55 pm 20/06/2012

djskitzy

Quote by Viscera:
roughly 1,300 documents pertaining to the Feb. 4 letter.


that many documents about one letter?

fuckin A

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7:06 pm 20/06/2012

Viscera

so, you don't mind an improvement that obstructs justice?? OK I'll remember this and cite when your class warfare complaints start again

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9:31 pm 20/06/2012

thecrookedman

I was just saying that one time (so far) seems a bit more transparent than 6 or 14, if we're using claims of executive privilege as our metric.

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9:45 pm 20/06/2012

Quaektem

Quote by HariSeldon:
you both are racists.

"Crap" is brown. Obviously a code word for The Anointed One's skin color.
saying that Our Fearless Leader has been the opposite of clear!? Again, a blatant code for dark-skinned.

No, obviously you are both racist which makes your argument null and void.


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9:50 pm 20/06/2012

Quaektem

Quote by thecrookedman:
Seems like a bit of an improvement.



I implore you to look at the reasons behind the use of executive privilege... as well as when the SJC ruled against it (and yes, they ruled against a Republican).

Quote by thecrookedman:
I was just saying that one time (so far) seems a bit more transparent than 6 or 14, if we're using claims of executive privilege as our metric.



I've been posting examples of WH transparency failures for three years so this is hardly the metric, just another case among many. If Obama was not involved (as he claims), there is no case for executive privilege. If Obama was involved, executive privilege may still not apply... but that still shows him to be a liar.

Either way, Obama just fucked up big time.

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9:52 pm 20/06/2012

HariSeldon

This is what I was in the middle of saying myself.

You are 100% correct. Which makes one question WHY does Obama protect Holder time after time after time. What hold does Holder have over Obama?

Holder has go to be the worse Attorney General in recent times. Don't know enough about all the people who have held his post to say worst of all time but he has to be in the running.

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