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Malcolm X and Ali Warning About Liberals and Multiculturalism

7 comments, 439 views, posted 6:06 am 17/07/2017 in Politics by LordViscera
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Jarl of Glencoe

Malcom X had this pegged spot on

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12:27 pm 17/07/2017

marksyzm

Yeah, Muhammed Ali not so much. He's totally intrinsic and everyone knew that about him.

As for Malcolm X and America, your whole perception from both races has been so scarred and bullshitted up for generations, you're fucked. The main problem overall is authoritarianism and it seems to come from both camps and people mistake it for being centrist these days as they did with the Clintons, Obama, Bushes, Trump and Reagan. It's all been about telling each other what to do for months and what Malcolm X is referring to with the problem with modern liberalism (as is the problem with conservatism) is that people keep telling each other what to do based on what they, the leaders, think. But then what is a world without "leadership"?

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5:16 am 18/07/2017

LordViscera

I think he was more saying (Malcolm that is) the whole machine is nothing but a way for white men in power to keep another race in a powerless situation. The liberals claim to be the "friends" of the African-American, the conservatives don't. In the end, if we took the labels off the philosophies, and said what the actual ideology was, I think you would be hard pressed to side with liberalism in the context that he is speaking to it. The idea of sympathizing with a group because they have been mistreated in the past is just silly. The fact that none of the people in today's society have been slaves, should tell everyone that some (maybe not enough but at least some) progress has been made.

Using that train of thought, should i hate and be suspicious of and demand reparations from every British citizen because of the way my Irish ancestors were treated? I haven't suffered at the hands of a Brit yet. But my dad was incredulous when I had the British flag in my bedroom because I liked Def Leppard in the 80's and Joe Elliott wore it in a video, or I liked the Who and Queen. I believe that anyone, motivated enough and given a fair opportunity can make of themselves whatever they want, defining their own idea of success. That isn't a modern liberal thought.

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9:05 am 18/07/2017

marksyzm

I just can't believe this is the way things are and people are so stupid to be carrying it on to be honest. I've come to realise that I just don't identity with any of these political definitions.

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10:27 am 18/07/2017

marksyzm

Quote by LordViscera:
I haven't suffered at the hands of a Brit yet. But my dad was incredulous when I had the British flag in my bedroom because I liked Def Leppard in the 80's and Joe Elliott wore it in a video, or I liked the Who and Queen.

Yeah that was a weird one. My grandmother was the same about it but she was too drunk up on whiskey all the time. My dad and his brother were both mods just before and while The Jam were a big thing, whizzing around in their Lambrettas. Growing up a Catholic during the IRA bombings was quite eye opening as a young boy, myself. It never occurred to me until later in life what living as an Irish person during that period was quite like.

Quote by LordViscera:
I believe that anyone, motivated enough and given a fair opportunity can make of themselves whatever they want, defining their own idea of success. That isn't a modern liberal thought.

That's supposed to be a modern liberal intention, but they've become so stuck with the authoritarian nature of "telling people what to do" but then there is a backlash of telling people of what they can't do in the same respect and thus Plato's definition of democracy as being doomed to failure is predicted. You can't let the people govern the people. You can't have total anarchy because nothing (and everything) would happen. You can't have total communism because nobody is quite like the other. You can't have total socialism because people want their own businesses. You can't have total capitalism because of the lack of caring in some people to let things just go too far beyond human/earth limitations (and the emergence of the underclass). You can't have total libertarianism as... see anarchy. You can't have "the world order" because no fucker is going to like that.

I dunno... I don't even like the concept of money personally and expect the requirement will be withdrawn at some points when there will be only self programmed/built robots and versions of us sat as human doughballs in front of computer screens with wires for eye sockets and plungers on top of our brains. Maybe it would be for the best for us to just leave this fucking place in separate droves of ships and venture elsewhere; save us having to work out our differences.

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4:52 pm 18/07/2017

LordViscera

Quote by marksyzm:
That's supposed to be a modern liberal intention, but they've become so stuck with the authoritarian nature of "telling people what to do" but then there is a backlash of telling people of what they can't do in the same respect and thus Plato's definition of democracy as being doomed to failure is predicted. You can't let the people govern the people. You can't have total anarchy because nothing (and everything) would happen. You can't have total communism because nobody is quite like the other. You can't have total socialism because people want their own businesses. You can't have total capitalism because of the lack of caring in some people to let things just go too far beyond human/earth limitations (and the emergence of the underclass). You can't have total libertarianism as... see anarchy. You can't have "the world order" because no fucker is going to like that.

that is the best comment you have made on a post we have dscussed with each other in the whole time I've been here. I agree with you that any philosophy won't work in it's extreme or ideal because people aren't that defined. If I could give more points for that I would because I agree so much with that

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10:51 pm 18/07/2017

Flee

That was a lot of words for "damned if you do. Damned if you dont", mark

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11:19 pm 18/07/2017

LordViscera

Quote by LordViscera:
Plato's definition of democracy as being doomed to failure is predicted.


and Ben Franklin stated that "When the populous realize they can legisalte pay raises for themselves, the republic is lost." We are lost, as entitlements have now robbed people of their common sense and willingness to work for what they want in life, instead they decide to try and shame the wealthy to "give their fair share" all due to laziness or ineptitude.

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