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Lower the voting age to six.

13 comments, 132 views, posted 9:49 pm 06/12/2018 in Politics by REALITY
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Lower voting age to six to tackle bias against young, says academic

Prof David Runciman says ageing population is creating a democratic crisis

The head of politics at Cambridge University has called for children as young as six to be given the vote in an attempt to tackle the age bias in modern democracy.

Prof David Runciman said the ageing population meant young people were now “massively outnumbered”, creating a democratic crisis and an inbuilt bias against governments that plan for the future.

In the latest episode of his podcast, Talking Politics, he said lowering the voting age to 16 was not radical enough to address the problem.

He said: “I would lower the voting age to six, not 16. And I’m serious about that. I would want people who vote to be able to read, so I would exclude reception [age-children].

“What’s the worst that could happen? At least it would be exciting, it would make elections more fun. It is never going to happen in a million years but as a way of capturing just how structurally unbalanced our democracies have become, seriously, why not? Why not six-year-olds?

Runciman added: “Old people are currently the coalition that have a huge inbuilt advantage in representative democratic politics.

“Young people are massively outnumbered because the voting age is 18, whereas there isn’t a cutoff point at the other end. You don’t lose the vote when you get to be 75. You can carry on voting until the day you die and there is no test. You could be frankly demented and still get to vote, which is as it should be. So young people are the losers here.”

He dismissed other suggestions for correcting this bias. “There are suggestions to introduce various kinds of gradation into it, maybe to give more votes to younger people and try to calibrate the vote so you rectify this imbalance. That’s all insane. You should never, never interfere with the basic principle of democracy, which is one person one vote. And you should never take votes away from people.”

He added: “You get to vote right the way through to the end of your life regardless of whether you are capable of voting or not, and we are fine with that.”

His recommendation comes from research for his new book, How Democracies End, which examines signs of how democracy is collapsing.

“Young people are triply discriminated against,” he said. “If you are in your 20s, you are not represented in your parliament, you keep losing elections and you are expected to care about the future, the environment, the unborn – it is your job as a young person to somehow take up causes that old people are a little bit long in the tooth to worry about.”

He argued that if the voting age was not lowered, politics would be left to “people who aren’t going to live into the future and can just care about the present”.

Runciman suggested the Brexit vote might not have happened with a radically lower voting age.

“If 16- or 17-year-olds voted in the 2017 general election, there is a chance that Jeremy Corbyn would now be prime minister … If 16- or 17-year-olds voted in the Brexit referendum, it would have been closer, but it probably still wouldn’t have been enough to overturn the result,” he said.

“Talking about two years isn’t enough. There is such a huge structural imbalance that adding two years to a story that at the other end of the scale now extends to people in their 80s, 90s, 100s [isn’t enough].”

theguardian

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12:46 am 07/12/2018

Flee

if six, why not 5 or 4? they can walk, they can vote!

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12:47 am 07/12/2018

Flee

Quote by REALITY:
“Young people are triply discriminated against,


i still think you need to earn the right to vote. Own land(paying taxes), have a job(paying taxes), then you can vote. pay no tax, then get no vote.

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1:08 am 07/12/2018

Quaektem

sure way to make sure the progressives never win another election.

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1:12 am 07/12/2018

Quaektem

The modern left is loosing. They pushed too far and now they are over the cliff. They are desperite for new, ignorant voters.

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3:26 am 07/12/2018

Flee

Quote by Quaektem:
sure way to make sure the progressives never win another election.


That's their problem. . Why should someone who pays no tax be allowed to vote, and help dictate how tax dollars are spent.

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3:34 am 07/12/2018

LordViscera

well since the progressive movement wants the govt to treat adults like children, doling out services and benefits like mom & dad at dinner time this makes all the sense in the world! Get the kids used to it so the "adults" can get things done while the TV babysits them. Pathetic


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If you give us your vote, then you do what we ask, you'll get your free healthcare, food stipend, govt housing, and you can watch "Modern Family" when it comes on TV!

Kinda sounds like a Communist Eastern European country eh?

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8:18 am 07/12/2018

tricpe

Quote by Flee:
Own land(paying taxes), have a job(paying taxes), then you can vote. pay no tax, then get no vote.

With that logic, legal immigrants, company and real estate owners from (and living) abroad would also be able to vote

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8:20 am 07/12/2018

Ram

this will eff up children big time, and their relationships with their parents

you don't think a 'parent' won't influence that young child which way to go ??!!

this academic is an asshat !!

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12:11 pm 07/12/2018

Flee

Quote by tricpe:
Quote by Flee:
Own land(paying taxes), have a job(paying taxes), then you can vote. pay no tax, then get no vote.
With that logic, legal immigrants, company and real estate owners from (and living) abroad would also be able to vote


On top of the current rules of being a citizen, and being human, of course. If a Canadian lives in Germany but maintains a residence(address) in Canada, they can still vote. Many Canadians living abroad can vote now. In Canada you need 3 things to be able to vote.

1. Citizen
2. A letter from utility company or bank with your name and address.
3. 18+ in age.

All I'm really suggesting is replacing item 3 with the fact you pay taxes in some form.

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12:30 pm 07/12/2018

tricpe

Quote by Flee:
On top of the current rules of being a citizen, and being human, of course. If a Canadian lives in Germany but maintains a residence(address) in Canada, they can still vote.

But vote where? I am legally living in Germany and can take part in elections in Serbia, although I didn't pay any taxes there for almost nine years. I pay my taxes here and how much is my opinion worth? Jack squat!

My question is whether you think that legal migrant from USA living and working (tax paying) in Canada has anything to say in Canada?

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1:04 pm 07/12/2018

Flee

I do think they have something to say, and they can vote... assuming they obtain citizenship.

Might not tbe the case in Serbia, but if you maintain a residence in Canada, while living and working in another country, you are legally required to submit your out of country income to Canada for the purpose of being taxed on it. This is why most Canadians give up their residence(and right to vote) in Canada when working in another country. No one wants to pay income tax twice.

Back to a immigrant working in Canada, a co worker of mine is Chinese and lives/works here. After he realized he was going to be in Canada for a long time, earlier this year, he obtained Canadian citizenship. Although, his reason wasnt for voting purposes, but when he travels, a Chinese passport seems to be an instant red flag at customs

Him, another guy, and I went to Frankfurt in March. The other guy and myself have Canadian passports. We were barely spoken to at customs and basically pushed through. The Chinese passport guy was stopped at every checkpoint and basically interrogated.

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1:09 pm 07/12/2018

Flee

citizenship is basically a statement that you have vested interest in the country. Doesnt seem that way, as being born in X makes you a citizen(in most places), but for immigrants, it tells the country you want to be part of it. Not just work in it.

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7:30 pm 07/12/2018

LordViscera

If an immigrant becomes a citizen here, they can vote. The premise of owning property is a requirement, that would be seen as economically discriminatory here. There are so many people who aren't landowners here, that would negate a huge part of the population. The tax paying part I get tho

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