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Interesting.

12 comments, 465 views, posted 2:58 pm 14/04/2019 in Politics by griffin
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Swiss court orders historic referendum re-run

The result of a nationwide referendum has been overturned for the first time in modern Switzerland's history.

The poll, held in February 2016, asked the country's voters whether married couples and co-habiting partners should pay the same tax.

Voters rejected the proposal, with 50.8% against and 49.2% in favour.

But the supreme court has now voided the result on the grounds that voters were not given full information, and the vote must be re-run.

The information provided to the electorate was "incomplete" and therefore "violated the freedom of the vote", the court ruled.

Switzerland's direct democracy system frequently allows citizens to take part in decision-making.

During the referendum campaign, the Swiss government told voters just 80,000 of married couples were paying more tax than couples living together.

The true figure was almost half a million, the government later said.

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3:19 pm 14/04/2019

REALITY

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Interesting.

Not really. The European Union (Withdrawal) Act 2018.

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3:21 pm 14/04/2019

griffin

Whatever you want to believe is fine by me.

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4:14 pm 14/04/2019

Flee

I wish a secure method could be done where the citizens vote on all bills.

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4:59 pm 14/04/2019

griffin

Quote by Flee:
I wish a secure method could be done where the citizens vote on all bills.


It sure would solve a lot of problems. It would create a bunch, too. In an age of always-on information, we are awash with ignorance. Still, it would take corruption out of the equation, by and large.

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9:51 pm 14/04/2019

Quaektem

Quote by Flee:
I wish a secure method could be done where the citizens vote on all bills.



True Democracy always fails, which is why the USA isn't one.

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10:50 pm 14/04/2019

griffin

Quote by Quaektem:
True Democracy always fails


I wonder which examples you have of this, and how democracy contributed to their failure.

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12:10 am 15/04/2019

HariSeldon

There are a multitude of reasons why democracies always fail.

One reason is people are just not smart enough, educated enough, or give enough of a damn to vote for the best candidate or policy. This is especially true when you expect them to vote for something worthwhile that either does not benefit them or actually goes against their best interest.

You also have the issue of "tyranny of the majority"


Not to mention when a whale's name can be voted to be "Mr Splashy Pants" or Taylor Swift can voted to perform for a school for the deaf it is obvious that pure democracy just isn't effective for much more than you and your friends choose what's for dinner. Even that has an issue when you have to pay for whatever meal is chosen even if you can't eat it.


Then you have the issue that all governments with voting has, who votes. That just exasperates the issue with the Tyranny of the Majority problem.

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12:32 am 15/04/2019

griffin

Quote by HariSeldon:
There are a multitude of reasons why every known form of government always fails.

There, fixed that fer ya.

Let me repeat the question I posed for Q : I wonder which examples you have of this, and how democracy contributed to their failure.

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7:12 am 15/04/2019

Quaektem

which is why I won't bother. Sure I can cite Athens, modern Grease, most of western Europe, pre-Ceaser Rome... every high-school election... but sure, mob-rule is better. Look at how well Western Euorope is handling democracy. Heck, how is democracy working with Brexit? I'll counter oh mighty griffin... when has a true democracy succeeded a wel as a Republic?

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12:15 pm 15/04/2019

griffin

Does Switzerland tremble at the edge of the abyss? I note that Athenian democracy lasted 186 years, and did not end because of any problems with their democracy but because their alliance with Sparta was crushed by the Macedonians. I don't know what you consider to be a true democracy. Most of western Europe consists of republics, I think. How long did the Weimar Republic last? And I think the Roman Republic was a dead man walking before Julius showed up.

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4:46 am 18/04/2019

Quaektem

Before Ceaser decaird himself emporer (ala Palpatine... or do I have that backwards?) I would present California as a pretty good example of how Demorcracy fails. Sure, the legislator keeps ignoring the citzen propositions... but man, they even voted multiple times to stop gay marriage and the courts had to step in whack the insolence with a rolled up newspaper.

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12:03 pm 18/04/2019

griffin

Quote by Quaektem:
True Democracy always fails, which is why the USA isn't one.


I'm still waiting for an example. California, lol, no. It is a US state and must by law have a republican form of government.

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