The progressive “climate of hate:”

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The progressive “climate of hate:”

12 comments, 312 views, posted 10:31 pm 13/01/2011 in Politics by z0phi3l
z0phi3l has 8151 posts, 223 threads, 205 points, location: Waterbury CT
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The progressive “climate of hate:” An illustrated primer, 2000-2010

The Tucson massacre ghouls who are now trying to criminalize conservatism have forced our hand.
They need to be reminded. You need to be reminded.
Confront them. Don’t be cowed into silence.
And don’t let the media whitewash the sins of the hypocritical Left in their naked attempt to suppress the law-abiding, constitutionally-protected, peaceful, vigorous political speech of the Right.
They want to play tu quo que in the middle of a national tragedy? They asked for it. They got it.

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2:16 am 14/01/2011

Razail

i can't say it often enough, but i hate this "us or them" mentality. no one is ever willing to compromise on anything, and everyone seems completely content with vilifying the opposite party. FFS, its doing more damage to america than any terrorist attack ever could, and anyone who continues to spread this mentality (ie, like this post) is participating in blatant fear mongering. both sides, dem and gop, are guilty of the same stupidity.

2:21 am 14/01/2011

evolution

I find it ironic when Conservatives use the word "hate" in reference to Progressives or Liberals. We're not the ones who voted for Prop 8.

2:24 am 14/01/2011

Razail

i find that most of the serious conservatives i know, not unlike fundamentalist christians, tend fear and hate what doesn't conform to their world view, and then pretend that its a form of love or higher understanding of the world...

3:57 am 14/01/2011

Quaektem

You two are as bad as the original poster...

4:53 am 14/01/2011

Viscera

Raz, don't you see there is a difference between not agreeing with something as right and true and being afraid of it? I would imagine that there isn't much of a difference between sweeping generalization that you just made about serious conservatives and fundamentalists Christians is not very different than the generalization you seem to be upset about in this post. Since I am both conservative and Christian, I can tell you I'm not afraid of gays, people who choose to have abortions, and those who are on the opposite side of the aisle politically, but I don't agree that their behavior, or ethos are correct. The real problem isn't that a gay couple is gay, or that a woman wants to get an abortion, or that the progressives have their belief system. The problem is they want their way of life legislated so that it's legal, and it's shoved down everyone's throat. Now in the better than five years I've been on TEOTI that seems to be the main complaint of non-Christians about Christians. Does it strike you as hypocritical that the act that so enrages one group, is then parroted by the other.

I am not in favor of a constitutional amendment defining marriage, I could care less if two men/two women get married, but don't tell me I have to accept it and it's normal. If a woman is pregnant and wants to get an abortion, that's her business. Don't attempt to tell me I have to accept that as a regular act of this culture, and want my tax dollars to help pay for it. If you don't believe in God, or have a different belief system I'm okay with that. But the idea that any references to God must be taken out of public life because of some phantom establishment clause that doesn't guarantee freedom FROM religion is the reason that a nativity scene can't be displayed on government property when the town is predominantly Christian. I also have no problem with the menorah, an Islamic symbol, pagan symbol, Hindu Buddhist or any other faith having their religious displays right next to the nativity scene. There's certainly no doubt that there are ass holes in every group, so I don't doubt that the scenario you described is out there. But here we go again with sweeping generalizations that lump honest, sincere people in with the idiots. I could make plenty of sweeping insulting generalizations about the left, and religious groups, but what would that serve other than to reinforce the whole polarization that you and Evo seem to want to avoid.

6:21 am 14/01/2011

evolution

If you sincerely have no problem with gays having the right to marry each other, then I applaud you and apologise for the generalisation. However, I do believe that makes you a rare exception. Both on the websites I frequent as well as in real life I find conservatives to be overwhelmingly opposed to gay marriage - so much that they would go out of their way to actually write a constitutional amendment to define marriage as contract between a man and a woman - effectively making gay marriage illegal. That's the sort of Conservative behaviour I find incredibly petty. So what if the gays want the same rights as everyone else? It wouldn't even be an issue if it wasn't for religion.

9:02 am 14/01/2011

Quaektem

Bush mentioned it... once and the idea had such a backlash is conservative circles that it hasn't been brought up outside of the Bible belt since. I have never had a problem with gay marriage being passed either through vote or legislator (as in VT) but not by activist judges deciding what must be accepted by the populous.

12:15 pm 14/01/2011

backroom

Quote by Viscera:

The problem is they want their way of life legislated so that it's legal, and it's shoved down everyone's throat.

Applies to any and every group.

6:18 pm 14/01/2011

Vormid

Other fine words from Michelle Malkin:

And, um, all I will say is that I think that -- that, uh, these -- these, uh, uh, categorizations: Race, ethnicity, religion, etc., shouldn't be taken off the table. And I'll tell you -- you've got these civil liberties hypocrites -- these liberal hypocrites ... who have no problem using these classifications if it means that, uh, they can have diversity in police departments or fire departments or to, uh, affect and socially engineer, uh, a campus.

4:28 am 15/01/2011

Razail

V: what i took from your thread is this:

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Raz hates religious folks cuz he thinks they are ignorant, and all conservatives are too. I believe people can believe whatever they want but they shouldn't expect to have what they want legalized and as soon as they want legislation that protects their 'freedoms', then thats not okay because that conflicts with my view and i think that no one should have to deal with people who are different.

Maybe i wasn't clear enough when i said "most of the serious conservatives i know, not unlike fundamentalist christians..." now, if you introduce me to either serious conservatives or fundamentalist christians who break this trend that i have observed from experience, then great. i'll incorporate that data into my view accordingly. but with little exception most conservatives i know, as in 95%, are content with calling me a liberal fuck, an anti-american ass, and tell me i belong in Guantanamo. most of the fundamentalist christians i have met believe my character to be suspect and they never, ever show any trust towards me, and act to my face as though i'm an agent of Satan himself. and this is not because i'm satanist or a athiest, but a Diest.

a friend of mine, who is in this religious subset, recently developed malaria on a trip to africa, was able to get online and let us know through Facebook of her condition. She is a sweet girl who loves everyone and doesn't believe religion should have a bearing on how you treat someone, so i treat her with the utmost respect. i commented that i believe her to be a strong, caring, young woman, whom i know will pull through just fine, and most of the other comments were negatively directed towards the fact that i didn't say "i will pray for you". As Evolution commented, if you really are fine with people living their lives as they see fit, then thats wonderful. That would mean you embody the American ideal of individual liberties and freedoms being upheld and maintained when so much of the world is content to persecute. We have these awesome, amazing laws that protect our freedoms, that were made in a time of intolerance, and it would be contrary to the American spirit not to try to provide our citizens with as many freedoms as we can afford.

@ Quaketem: WTF? i comment that its both tiring and unproductive for two political parties to quarrel in spite of more serious issues and scold that it's irresponsible to further the sentiment that perpetuates the problem, and you find problem with that? really?

5:07 pm 15/01/2011

Quaektem

No I don't... Comment #2 and #3 was the basis for my statement, not comment #1.

4:48 am 16/01/2011

Viscera

Raz, I don't think that,that's why I stated in my comment:

Quote by Viscera:

There's certainly no doubt that there are ass holes in every group, so I don't doubt that the scenario you described is out there

I agree that there are people who are idiots, in all groups. And as I stated earlier, TCM, BR and Vormid have all said correctly I need to stop generalizing because all (insert group name here that applies) don't think the same, agree on everything etc. I didn't mean to imply that you are hateful against religious groups, and definitely sorry if that's how it came across.

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