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An Attempt At A Serious Question

41 comments, 343 views, posted 5:04 pm 29/12/2016 in Rantings & Flame Bait by LordViscera
LordViscera has 15514 posts, 2023 threads, 1209 points, location: 1123 6536 5321
Jarl of Glencoe

OK, so I have had a lot of fun lately being an asshat, and I'm gonna put the snarkiness on the side for this post (hopefully but no promises due to what might come my way lol)

I'm curious about what people think about the "idea" that since Steve Bannon is being accused of being a white supremacist, that means that all those connected with the admin or even extending to the voters who cast for Trump are that as well. I haven't seen a policy that has been submitted (the idea "floated" I understand Trump isn't in office yet so no "policy" has been put forth) that would point that Bannon hates any specific ethnic group and of course with WS comes the idea of hating Jews.
Snopes writing that Bannon ISN'T a White Supremecist

But 8 years ago, one of the favorite criticisms of then candidate Obama was his connection to Bill Ayers and Rev Wright. The hue and cry was that you can't hold then candidate Obama for the "ideas" of those he surrounded himself with,.So, if you can't hold Obama to this standard, why is Trump (and more importantly his voters) tied to this?

A larger question is this; The last time I checked, even if we take the accusation of Bannon's outlook as truth, they aren't illegal, so I'm confused about why the climate in this country is so quick to decide what people can think? I got a call from a friend I lost touch with on Christmas day. I hadn't spoken to him in 21+ years. He worked with me in NYC and called me "the coolest white boy he ever met" when we worked together. Back then I spoke to him about that, and he said being Puerto Rican he hadn't had any real good experiences with white people, and I was the first who he liked. So if I took his view to the logical conclusion, he might be called racist against whites. But his actions have never been hurtful and even if he had strong felt animus towards a ethnicity he has a right to think this. So where do the critics get the hubris to tell others what to think and try to shame people

As of my research, it is illegal to slaute the "Nazi" salute in Germany, Austria, Slovakia, and the Czech Repiblic. The pu nishment varies from jail to fines. But in the US it isn't illegal, and certainly there is a political party that espouses Nazism. (No it isn't the republicans btw) So where is this established that the left has the right to inflict punishment on those who think and agree that way? Looking forward to your responses

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6:15 am 30/12/2016

LordViscera

Quote by backroom:
Quote by LordViscera:
Rush and Hannity are nothing more then meat for the animals

Even you admit it.
Now... Should all Conservatives be upset that you referred to them as animals?
Or are you talking about a particular subset?
See the correlation to "deplorables"?


first answer, no because not all conservatives listen to those two, not all conservatives who do listen to them believe what they say as gospel, and not all conservatives who listen to them agree with what they say.

Question 2, Hillary wasn't just commenting on an attitude, it showed her contempt for those who don't see the world the way she does. AND she was trying to convince more people to vote for her, the whole "we go high when they go low". No one, not even her campaign staff think that comment was anything but a death blow to her campaign. The idea that someone would characterize a group of people as deplorable and irredeemable is just suicidal for a politician. Others have made worse gaffs, but she should have had this won easily.

And the terminology of throwing red meat to the base is exactly the inference that is made daily on all political shows. The attempt to try and equate what she said and what I said are apples and oranges. I also am not running for approval and office of the American people. There is a difference if I say as a private citizen "Diabetes ia a major health threat in America", and if the surgeon general says it. They might both be accurate, but one carries much more authority.

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6:18 am 30/12/2016

LordViscera

Quote by backroom:
Freedom? Well freedom's just another word for nothing left to lose.


I suppose you could look at it that way, but my thought on that is freedom is, the ability to act without retribution for your actions or stances within the confines of the law. You are free to express yourself, until your speech infringes on the rights (freedoms) of others.

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6:29 am 30/12/2016

backroom

So... you excuse one but not the other for doing the exact same thing.
Not all conservatives voted for Trump, not all conservative who voted for trump believe what he says is gospel, and not all conservatives who voted for him agree with what he said.
But those who do are deplorable.

The question was not about what the effects of statements were and the thoughts of her staff is not relevant.

Quote by LordViscera:
The attempt to try and equate what she said and what I said are apples and oranges.


No, it really is not.
There in lies your preconception. The same as you laughing off my Paladino thread. You can't see thru your own fog.

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6:30 am 30/12/2016

backroom

Quote by LordViscera:
Quote by backroom:
Freedom? Well freedom's just another word for nothing left to lose.

I suppose you could look at it that way, but my thought on that is freedom is, the ability to act without retribution for your actions or stances within the confines of the law. You are free to express yourself, until your speech infringes on the rights (freedoms) of others.


Janis, brother.
Get the stick out of your ass.

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6:32 am 30/12/2016

LordViscera

um, so am I supposed to put Janis Joplin as a source for truth? If so, ah no

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6:34 am 30/12/2016

LordViscera

Quote by backroom:
So... you excuse one but not the other for doing the exact same thing.
Not all conservatives voted for Trump, not all conservative who voted for trump believe what he says is gospel, and not all conservatives who voted for him agree with what he said.
But those who do are deplorable.

The question was not about what the effects of statements were and the thoughts of her staff is not relevant.
Quote by LordViscera:
The attempt to try and equate what she said and what I said are apples and oranges.

No, it really is not.
There in lies your preconception. The same as you laughing off my Paladino thread. You can't see thru your own fog.


so.. you don't agree and because of that I can't see through my own fog? See how that quickly turned. I can say you and I don't agree. I don't have to say your vision is clouded or you are blind or that your perceptions are obviously in error.

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6:45 am 30/12/2016

LordViscera

I have said for the better part of 10 years you and I are probably looking to solve the same problems, we don't agree on the path. But you decide to diagnose me as having deficiencies.

When I'm being an asshat (and there are certainly times I am purposefully trying to antagonize, but to be fair your profile has said that your goal is to piss off conservatives so I think we play the same game sometimes) then I will do similar things. But I don't have degrees in psychology so I have no basis in that.

I believe this election is a result of exactly this phenomenon. I for one am tired of being characterized in every pejorative category known to man because I think that you can do more good with your tax money then the feds can. You have a greater interest in how your money is spent (in regards to wisely) then the feds do as they don't have a connection with how hard you worked for it.

But I believe we both want clean water, good education for kids, opportunity for families, basic medical care, quality food blah blah blah. I don't think you are a demon for the way you want to achieve that.

But the left (not you necessarily, but those I meet in MA who are willing to have the conversations) do believe that the right are water poisoning, racist wealth mongering pigs. Sorry f that upsets you and you'll prolly tell me to seek other company then who I encounter. I have lived in NY, Colorado and MA mostly. those are my experiences. After a while, an avatar on a website telling you that isn't what is the norm doesn't really hold water when for the better part of 30 years, that is exactly what has been experienced. And it seems hardly reasonable to expect a text conversation to rebuke those experiences.

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6:49 am 30/12/2016

LordViscera

you're up late, no work tomorrow (today)

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6:59 am 30/12/2016

backroom

Quote by LordViscera:
But you decide to diagnose me as having deficiencies.


Preconception is not a deficiency or psychological condition.
It is having an idea that is so strong that it trumps everything else on a subject.
My preconception is that Trump is a con man.

The fog reference is about you dragging in a ton of other "evidence" that has nothing to do with the question.
You seem compelled to throw her under every bus that passes by...

Quote by LordViscera:
Question 2, Hillary wasn't just commenting on an attitude, it showed her contempt for those who don't see the world the way she does. AND she was trying to convince more people to vote for her, the whole "we go high when they go low". No one, not even her campaign staff think that comment was anything but a death blow to her campaign. The idea that someone would characterize a group of people as deplorable and irredeemable is just suicidal for a politician. Others have made worse gaffs, but she should have had this won easily.


Was all that really called for when compared to...

Quote by LordViscera:
first answer, no because not all conservatives listen to those two, not all conservatives who do listen to them believe what they say as gospel, and not all conservatives who listen to them agree with what they say.


Like I said it was about the comments, not the results.

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7:08 am 30/12/2016

LordViscera

OK, so let's go on the premise all you said above was accurate. My belief is we all have that fog then. How do we get through that when neither side is willing to put aside the preconceptions and using old phrases, let bygones be bygones (racial animus is left at the door) give everyone the benefit of the doubt,(people might have actual reasons beyond the bullet points of the party they are affiliated with) and that people have good intentions (lose the ulterior motive default)?

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11:22 am 30/12/2016

backroom


I am not sure we can.
I believe Trump's election has caused permanent damage. To the Republican party and as a result to the entire country. He took what the Tea Party started and tore it into tiny pieces.
I stated as much during the campaign... and I believe the position you have assumed of late supports my conclusion.

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2:42 pm 30/12/2016

LordViscera

well tbh the "position" I have taken as of late is someone who has alot of time on their hands and decided to be a stone in a shoe. You have pointed out that I am not the average person in thought and outlook many times, so it seems that the average person who voted the same way prolly doesn't get represented by me, (a good thing I would imagine)

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2:47 pm 30/12/2016

backroom

Quote by LordViscera:
so it seems that the average person who voted the same way prolly doesn't get represented by me, (a good thing I would imagine)


I am not so sure about it being a "good" thing. It means that they bought the hype. (snakeoil by the case)
The dumbing down of America has been a success.

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2:49 pm 30/12/2016

LordViscera

well I meant the attitude of "I'm going to be difficult and antagonize" that I have had recently. the reasons for voting I see your point and can agree with that

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3:09 pm 30/12/2016

backroom

Quote by LordViscera:
you're up late, no work tomorrow (today)


I have been off all week.
Between paid holidays, vacation time and weekends... 11 days off in a row. And it only cost 16 PTO hours.

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5:26 pm 30/12/2016

LordViscera

that's cool, I always liked the time between Christmas Eve and New Years to take some time off. dsadly I have an ABUNDANCE of time now lol

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