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Fiscal Conservatism my Ass

40 comments, 322 views, posted 9:35 pm 26/01/2017 in Rantings & Flame Bait by Vormid
Vormid has 6651 posts, 523 threads, 242 points

Here’s a list of things Republicans opposed funding without offsets during Obama’s presidency. They include relief efforts for some of the biggest natural disasters in recent years:

- $9.7 billion in Hurricane Sandy disaster relief
- $8 billion for 9/11 first responders bill
- $1.9 billion to fight the Zika virus
- $1.1 billion to fight the opioid epidemic
- $765 million for the water emergency in Flint, Michigan
- $6.4 billion for the extension of unemployment insurance
- $10 billion for the creation of an infrastructure bank.

Trump: Let's build a WALL! We will make Mexico pay for it!
Mexico: Fuck you.

Republican lawmakers: We estimate that President Trump’s promised U.S.-Mexico wall will cost between $12 and $15 billion. It's so badly needed! It will stop immigrants from coming into the US! Terrorism! Lets do it...there's lots of way to define Mexico paying for it!

What about flying and overstayed Visas? What about the fact that illegal immigration has plummeted? What about severely penalizing those who hire illegal immigrants to avoid paying a minimum wage and benefits?

Shut up!

Extra Points Given by:

evolution (10), bytehead (10)

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4:37 am 27/01/2017

Vormid

Quote by bytehead:
average Joe.



I resent that.

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4:39 am 27/01/2017

Vormid

I added a fucking graph. It deserves points.

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4:46 am 27/01/2017

bytehead

Quote by MASTERV:
I don't get the 14 billion price tag. Concrete and steel really that expensive?

The quotes I've seen are $25 billion. Remember, Trump has specified it's supposed to be so high, and also so far below ground. The talk is that the wall will be built in precast sections, cast in a factory, and then shipped to where it needs to go. It's not going to be cheap. And that would be much better than trying to cast it on-site, where are they going to get the water, let alone the material for the concrete?

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Use the military to build it. People like the SeaBees already have the equipment so no hourly rent/usage fees. The military is salary and already getting payed so no hourly wages or benefits needed. This leave fuel, equipment repairs and material as the only costs.

That also takes away from whatever the hell the SeaBees are already doing, and I'm sure it's fairly worthwhile.

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A good wall with sensors and detection/deterrents will decrease the amount of agents needed there that can be diverted to other areas. Make some remote areas military training areas helps even more. With the decrease in drug and people flowing north thru this area will decrease cash and guns flowing south.

All those sensors, detection equipment and deterrents also usually need things like electricity, batteries and maintenance. And they add even more cost to the project, sourcing the equipment, installing it, maintaining it, and eventually having to replace it.

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If u can't tell i am all for the wall and wish it would have been built decades ago. Once it's built the focus can turn to other areas then we can talk about amnesty for all that want to stay.

I think it would be much more to our advantage to see that Mexico doesn't need to be having people cross over to us for starters. Which seems to be what is happening now. Unfortunately, it's the countries even further south that are having people go through Mexico to come over the border now. Our immigration system is a mess. I don't think this fixes it. I think the wall is just plain too expensive, and still won't work in the end.

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4:50 am 27/01/2017

Vormid

Want to end illegal immigration and illegal immigrants from sending money home? Massively punish those who hire them and there is no incentive for illegal immigrants to come to the US. PERIOD.

No wall, no cost, only gain.

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4:55 am 27/01/2017

bytehead

Quote by HariSeldon:
WTF! Trump is a business man. He isn't an idiot.

His first week in the Whitehouse, and it's all about him. He's an egotistical bastard, a narcissist, and everybody is feeling downtrodden in his administration. Have you seen those 0 favorability numbers yet? Every President in the past 100+ years that they've been tracking now had the lowest number of 32. Until Trump. His is 0. And, if they went negative, his certainly would be! He hasn't learned crap since he won the election, and he still doesn't have a clue as to what he should be doing. He's writing plenty of executive orders, most have nothing to do with reversing Obama's EOs.

Government isn't business. Never has been, never will be. So, yes, Trump is an idiot.

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4:56 am 27/01/2017

bytehead

Quote by Vormid:
Quote by bytehead:
average Joe.

I resent that.

So do I!

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11:29 am 27/01/2017

backroom

Quote by Vormid:
Want to end illegal immigration and illegal immigrants from sending money home? Massively punish those who hire them and there is no incentive for illegal immigrants to come to the US. PERIOD.

No wall, no cost, only gain.


I have been saying that for years. My Arizona experience educated me on where the real problem lies.

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1:33 pm 27/01/2017

blackspy

Quote by Vormid:
Want to end illegal immigration and illegal immigrants from sending money home? Massively punish those who hire them and there is no incentive for illegal immigrants to come to the US. PERIOD.

No wall, no cost, only gain.



Then you just have illegal immigrants + illegal employment (ie: hiding the employment), or illegal immigrants who can't find jobs and will turn to illegal means of making money. Well, a different illegal means since they're not supposed to be working anyway if they're illegally in the country.

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1:57 pm 27/01/2017

Vormid

Okay what drive is there to to remain in the country if they are not making money to send home which is their primary reason for coming to the US. They can do illegal things at home before coming to the US but instead seek safe (relatively gainful) employment.

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2:09 pm 27/01/2017

Vormid

What Are the Penalties for Hiring an Illegal Immigrant?

Hiring illegal immigrants can lead to many severe penalties, such as:

Criminal and civil fines
Loss of business licenses
Most fines are broken down to the following:

First offenders can be fined $250-$2,000 per illegal employee.
For a second offense, the fine is $2,000-$5,000 per illegal employee.
Three or more offenses can cost an employer $3000-$10,000 per illegal employee. A pattern of knowingly employing illegal immigrants can mean extra fines and up to six months in jail for an employer.
This does not include “harboring” illegal immigrants, or employing ten or more illegal immigrants in one year. Harboring an illegal immigrant can lead to ten years of prison time.

Additionally, employers should be aware of the Racketeer Influenced Corrupt Organizations (RICO) Act. Employers can be sued under the act for hiring illegal immigrants, and can face large settlement deals.

The lawfully documented workers of the Zirkle Fruit Company recently settled a class action lawsuit brought under RICO. The suit alleged that their employer knowingly hired undocumented workers, driving down their wages.

LegalMatch Link

Not nearly severe enough in my opinion if it is such a problem that we have to build and pay for a 12-30 Billion dollar wall/fence/thing.

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2:50 pm 27/01/2017

Vormid

Back to the idea of raising import taxes. It's not just something he can do. There is still the matter of NAFTA to deal with among other things...

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10:17 pm 27/01/2017

HariSeldon

Quote by Vormid:
Quote by HariSeldon:
WTF! Trump is a business man. He isn't an idiot


a) Lets see his tax returns
b) how many times has he bankrupted CASINOS??????

I understand the envy one may have because he's rich but seeing his tax returns won't say much about him. It may say much about his accountants.

The fact that you think his filing bankruptcy makes him a poor business man is probably part of the reason why he's a long time successful business man and employer while you're a government employee.

The point is he knows damn well that taxing imports won't cost Mexico a dime. Plus a trade war isn't very wise.

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For the record I do not think he is an idiot. I think he is a spoiled narcissistic man child who is in dire need of mental help.

Narcissistic? Yeah, that's a definite. Sadly he isn't alone in the presidential club that has that character flaw

Quote by HariSeldon:
Adding taxes to imports will not cost Mexico a single dime. It will only cost American consumers

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Did I not just say that?


yes you did. I said it also. It is called "agreeing"

Quote by HariSeldon:
If we want to charge Mexico for the wall then tax cash remittances to Mexico.
Mexico gets more from its citizens living abroad than they do in taxes.
http://money.cnn.com/2016/09/01/news/economy/mexico-peso-money-transfer-trump-remittance/
Taxing such wires may or may not be enough to pay for the wall. That isnt' that important.

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Why not? Do we not think they would not figure a way around this? Paypal, Offshore accounts, Poker sites?


We might as well as stop all taxes on anything. After all someone will just figure a way around it. Sure there will be some who will avoid the tax. Majority will pay. Paying it is easier and cheaper than most work arounds.

Quote by HariSeldon:
Just saying taxing imports will not help America in the slightest.

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Yeah...that's exactly what I was saying. Are you drunk or just fucking yanking my chain?


No, just agreeing
have the same opinion about something; concur

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4:06 am 28/01/2017

bytehead

Lazarus has died, so I'll make it short and sweet.

Trump tax returns do matter. It's not envy. Envy is for Bill Gates' and Warren Buffet's tax returns... It matters to a lot of people, to see where he gets his money from, and to who he owes money to.

Quote by HariSeldon:
We might as well as stop all taxes on anything.

We may as well stop enforcing all laws, including the Constitutional ones then...

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4:26 pm 28/01/2017

backroom

Quote by HariSeldon:
but seeing his tax returns won't say much about him. It may say much about his accountants.


Quote by bytehead:
It matters to a lot of people, to see where he gets his money from, and to who he owes money to.


And what he owns, is involved in, where he made and lost money, what his "foundation" paid for...

How can conflicts of interest be determined if we really do not know what those interests are?

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