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Birth control/abortion controversy

23 comments, 285 views, posted 9:05 pm 21/02/2012 in Rantings & Flame Bait by Rosie
Rosie has 2929 posts, 1358 threads, 5 points, location: FL USA
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So maybe, if women are not permitted to have birth control or abortions, then men should be chemically castrated until they are married?

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Flee (5)

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9:06 pm 21/02/2012

Flee

OR.... heres a crazy idea....

Use some common sense and rubber up, or don't have sex. Oral is just as good, if not better anyway.

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9:16 pm 21/02/2012

bradpitt

Quote:
Men and Women in the 112th Congress

While the partisan composition of the Congress is fairly close to that of the electorate, there are larger disparities between the Congress and the general citizenry in term of sex and race. In the House, there are currently 362 men and 76 women. In the Senate, there are 17 women and 83 men.


this is why?

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9:26 pm 21/02/2012

Flee

Quote by Rosie:
then men should be chemically castrated until they are married?


This is also apples and oranges. Chemical castration is for life. You can't be un-chemically castrated. Its a punishment for repeat rapists. Not birth control.

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9:36 pm 21/02/2012

bradpitt

Quote by Flee:
Quote by Rosie:
then men should be chemically castrated until they are married?

This is also apples and oranges. Chemical castration is for life. You can't be un-chemically castrated. Its a punishment for repeat rapists. Not birth control.

just been to the Lesbian Life forums where Chastity_632 thinks it's a great idea. (I am not googling female Chemical castration again)...(ever)

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9:40 pm 21/02/2012

Flee

I once found a site where a woman wrote about how she spiked her husbands food with the chemical that castrates men. She wanted to reduce his sex drive as her sex drive was 0.

In the end, her husband was in an eternal state of mono, and his cock shrivelled away to nothing. She basically turned him into a vegetable.

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9:40 pm 21/02/2012

Quaektem

I am not aware of any movement to ban or limit access to birth control in any way as it's been for the last thirty years (at least). It's just not happening.

The issue of abortion is another matter and should not be lumped into the same category, nor should the morning after pill be looped in with condoms and the pill as "emergency contraception".

This all boils down to a fabricated propaganda war created by the Left to take the debate away from Obamacare, the economy and four dollar gas.

That being said, if mommies and daddies out there would teach there little crumb crunchers that there is something to be said for not banging any Tom Dick or Jane that shows the slightest interest in them alot of this this shit would not be necessary.

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9:42 pm 21/02/2012

Flee

Quote by Quaektem:
That being said, if mommies and daddies out there would teach there little crumb crunchers that there is something to be said for not banging any Tom Dick or Jane that shows the slightest interest in them alot of this this shit would not be necessary.


But the schools do this for the parents

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9:43 pm 21/02/2012

Quaektem

Not the ethics, only the how-to's.

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9:46 pm 21/02/2012

Flee

If I ever have a daughter, she will be a manipulator of men. I will teach her that boys only want sex, which means you can string them along and get what you want, and not give up the sex

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9:51 pm 21/02/2012

Quaektem

Going to name her Estella too?

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9:56 pm 21/02/2012

Flee

Im not a fan of the old school names. I was thinking something more like Raging-bitch-that-will-bite-your-cock-off. R.B. for short

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10:02 pm 21/02/2012

Rosie

Why? A women's health forum excluding women in Congress. Abortion reversals re Roe vs Wade. Life and citizenry begins at conception. Santorum and his crap. Just getting DISGUSTED! Esp with "it's all HER fault".

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10:07 pm 21/02/2012

Flee

Quote by Rosie:
"it's all HER fault".


That's a hold-over from the caveman thinking a few decades ago where how a woman dressed/acted was a valid defence for rape.

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10:38 pm 21/02/2012

Weedenski

I really don't understand the Republicans emnity for birth control restrictions. Honestly, if THEY don't want an abortion, fine, don't get one. But I can't comprehend why they feel it's their right to limit it for someone else.

same holds for gay marriage. If they don't want to have a gay marriage, then DON'T!. simple as that.

(*readies fire extinguisher for flames that I'm sure will come.)

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10:50 pm 21/02/2012

Quaektem

Quote by Rosie:
Why? A women's health forum excluding women in Congress. Abortion reversals re Roe vs Wade. Life and citizenry begins at conception. Santorum and his crap. Just getting DISGUSTED! Esp with "it's all HER fault".



Uh... Rosie, that wasn't a "women's health forum". It was to a committee to determine if Obama's healthcare law mandate violates religious freedoms.

Quote by Rosie:
Abortion reversals re Roe vs Wade.

R v. W is bad law, not because of the abortion issue but because it infringes on a State's right to decide that issue. Even if Congress passed actual legislation to coincide with the ruling at least the proper legal process would be followed.

That being said... which politician is trying to overturn R v. W?

Quote by Rosie:
Life and citizenry begins at conception.



I don't think citizenry does, otherwise all those foreigners on vacation should make sure there resulting offspring would be citizens...

...but life? I would love to know when you think it begins.

Quote by Rosie:
Santorum and his crap.



Not much to say here, Santorum is not my choice of candidate.

Quote by Rosie:
Esp with "it's all HER fault".



Where is this even being promoted? Hell, with paternity testing readily available and strong child-support laws across the nation I would say the guy has as much skin in the game as she does... especially since he has no choice whether or not his unwanted child is born or aborted.

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10:51 pm 21/02/2012

Quaektem

Quote by Weedenski:
(*readies fire extinguisher for flames that I'm sure will come.)



*shrug* Flawed argument. It's like calling for the teaching of Biblical creationism in schools and saying "If you don't like it, just ignore it".

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11:22 pm 21/02/2012

Rosie

Two states are trying to grant legal personhood status to gametes. Legal, constitutional rights to gametes.

I am not pro abortion. I am pro choice. Each person must decide for themselves. Abortion will never go away--might be illegal, but it won't go away so long as sticks grow on bushes. So, given that, isn't proper medical procedure better? How is that different than the "legalize marijuana" or "legalize prostitution" stances?

The women's health forum re religious, not sexist. Not quite. They were talking birth control excluding prophylactics. Men control prophylactics. Women control the rest. And the ones they are arguing about ain't rubbers.

So, are all men going to use rubbers to prevent those sticks from jabbing cervixes? What about when a women needs a BC pill because of reasons not related to birth control? As a medication, it has other uses. Side effects...like solving erectile dysfunction is a side effect of what was originally something else. Or the hair med, that is a side effect of BP meds.

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11:24 pm 21/02/2012

Rosie

As for the man having no control re abortion--that is ethically wrong. But, it sits on a sharp fence, too.

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11:25 pm 21/02/2012

Flee

Quote by Rosie:
Legal, constitutional rights to gametes


lol. thats just silly.

For the record, if there was a birth control pill for men, that was on par with the lady pill, I would be a devout user of them, and I assume many men would.

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12:03 am 22/02/2012

Quaektem

Quote by Rosie:
Two states are trying to grant legal personhood status to gametes. Legal, constitutional rights to gametes.



I have some significant issues with that outside of criminalizing the killing of a baby in the womb when the mother desires to keep the child.

I do not think it's a good idea, nor will it gain any ground in the abortion debate without seriously impacting the safety of women in high-risk pregnancies.

Quote by Rosie:
I am not pro abortion. I am pro choice. Each person must decide for themselves. Abortion will never go away--might be illegal, but it won't go away so long as sticks grow on bushes. So, given that, isn't proper medical procedure better? How is that different than the "legalize marijuana" or "legalize prostitution" stances?



Actually, as anti-abortion as I am... I am also pro-choice. I do not think the government should be involved in a very tragic and personal decision between a woman and her doctor. The government should not promote it or fund organizations that do, but neither should it be outlawed.

Quote by Rosie:
The women's health forum re religious, not sexist. Not quite. They were talking birth control excluding prophylactics. Men control prophylactics. Women control the rest. And the ones they are arguing about ain't rubbers.



They were not talking about whether or not to legalize (or even pay for) birth control. They were not ever discussing religion. The hearing was on whether the president has the authority to make the mandate one way or the other at all.

Remember, if Obama can simply order that birth control coverage is mandatory... Santorum can use the same power if elected to remove all access to the drugs.

Further, I have to ask... why can't I get my condoms payed for! Don't I have the same rights women do !?!

Quote by Rosie:
So, are all men going to use rubbers to prevent those sticks from jabbing cervixes? What about when a women needs a BC pill because of reasons not related to birth control? As a medication, it has other uses. Side effects...like solving erectile dysfunction is a side effect of what was originally something else. Or the hair med, that is a side effect of BP meds.



If they have an insurance plan that covers it, they don't have to pay. If they don't they either go to Planned Parenthood or pay for the prescription themselves. Out of pocket they run $15 to $50 a month depending on brand and dose. Not that staggering. And if you can't afford the pill I doubt you can afford the 8% chance that it will fail so perhaps sex should be off the menu. (Source? Why Planned Parenthood!)

Quote by Rosie:
As for the man having no control re abortion--that is ethically wrong. But, it sits on a sharp fence, too.



I don't think it's wrong at all. The man made a choice to engage in sex... not all women have the same benefit. If he sires a child with a woman who wants to keep it he should be required to provide for that child.

Funny thing... abortion is actually a young man's best friend. I know quite a few girls that were pressured into it by a boyfriend who didn't want it, including the one we cared for. Had we not given her an option this child would not be alive.

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12:04 am 22/02/2012

Quaektem

Quote by Flee:
For the record, if there was a birth control pill for men, that was on par with the lady pill, I would be a devout user of them, and I assume many men would.



Had my four and am responsibly (and permanently) out of the gene pool.

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12:59 am 22/02/2012

Rosie

I have four, and grands, as well. I would talk to anyone asking me about what to do and push adoption. Especially a very young girl. Young enough, and I MIGHT talk abortion.

If Women's BC is covered, then rubbers should be as well. Equal is equal. Then again, they could take BC off prescription and make it OTC (like rubbers), and coverage would be a null issue.

This whole thing is slippery and truly depends on each situation.

It's like "sexual predators". Yes, men who prey on children are predators and should be registered. But the 18yo senior with a freshman girlfriend...who is 14 or 15, is that a predator? Or, is that the stupid/skanky boy with a stupid/skanky girl? First girl pregnant in my HS class was in just that situation. Today, he would be a registered sex offender IF she or her parents pushed it. On the other hand, I know parents who didn't. Today!

The first situation? The parents raised the boy as their own...had "only" 3 daughters themselves.

The second? She is now having #3 child of 3 different daddies at age 19.

Each child is a blessing to most people. And, as they grow older, they are more prized and loved. But, sometimes the child is not a blessing to the bearer or her family. Then, adoption is MY first choice.

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1:12 am 22/02/2012

Quaektem

Quote by Rosie:
Then again, they could take BC off prescription and make it OTC (like rubbers), and coverage would be a null issue.



I love this idea. More freedom of choice is always a good thing.

Quote by Rosie:
This whole thing is slippery and truly depends on each situation.



Which is why, despite my personal objection, I will not make that decision for another either directly or through the proxy of government.

Quote by Rosie:
It's like "sexual predators". Yes, men who prey on children are predators and should be registered. But the 18yo senior with a freshman girlfriend...who is 14 or 15, is that a predator? Or, is that the stupid/skanky boy with a stupid/skanky girl? First girl pregnant in my HS class was in just that situation. Today, he would be a registered sex offender IF she or her parents pushed it. On the other hand, I know parents who didn't. Today!



Eh, there are laws that cover this, and if the 18 y/o senior has all the rights and responsibilities of an adult then he should follow the laws of his state or face the consequence. A 21 year old goes to jail if he buys the 18 y/o booze but the 18 y/o doesn't go to jail for statutory rape of a 15 y/o?

Of course the sexual laws around minors are pretty screwed up... think about it, at 37 I could sleep with a 16 y/o... but if I take pics of her I go to jail for child porn.

Where I find it a messier situation is when two kids under the age of consent are involved... but they are actually both breaking the law. Why is it wrong to tell them that?

Quote by Rosie:
The first situation? The parents raised the boy as their own...had "only" 3 daughters themselves.

Yup, my wife's grandparents did this for one of her aunts. It's what my wife and I would do if my daughters got themselves in that situation too.

Quote by Rosie:
The second? She is now having #3 child of 3 different daddies at age 19.



Obviously much bigger issues here than access to abortion and contraception.

Quote by Rosie:
Each child is a blessing to most people. And, as they grow older, they are more prized and loved. But, sometimes the child is not a blessing to the bearer or her family. Then, adoption is MY first choice.

Amen to that. (yes we Pagans can say Amen... just the Hebrew version of 'so mote it be' anyway )

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