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Doesn’t “Religion” Mean “Conservative Christian?"

10 comments, 158 views, posted 7:25 pm 08/07/2012 in Religion by golfhack
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So the ongoing fiasco of Bobby Jindal’s “let the parents decide” voucher program in Louisiana is finally beginning to get some national media attention, for the simple reason that its logic is carrying it in directions that horrify its strongest proponents and intended beneficiaries. Via Amy Sullivan at TNR, we read this amusing story from the Livingston Parish News:

Rep. Valarie Hodges, R-Watson, says she had no idea that Gov. Bobby Jindal’s overhaul of the state’s educational system might mean taxpayer support of Muslim schools. “I actually support funding for teaching the fundamentals of America’s Founding Fathers’ religion, which is Christianity, in public schools or private schools,” the District 64 Representative said Monday.
“I liked the idea of giving parents the option of sending their children to a public school or a Christian school,” Hodges said.
Hodges mistakenly assumed that “religious” meant “Christian.”
Seems a Muslim school applied to receive voucher-backed students. It hasn’t been approved so far—guess that rigorous “vetting” process utilized by the Louisiana Department of Education finally kicked in—but the awful specter has been raised, and will be difficult to banish, at least in the imagination of lawmakers like Valerie Hodges:

We need to insure that it does not open the door to fund radical Islam schools. There are a thousand Muslim schools that have sprung up recently. I do not support using public funds for teaching Islam anywhere here in Louisiana.
So down plunges the Pelican State into the political and constitutional thicket of how to shovel money to conservative evangelical schools without looking too closely at what they are teaching, while at the same time keeping away schools that conservative evangelicals hate and fear. Having implicitly embraced the idea that not only Muslims, but liberal Protestant Christians like Barack Obama, aren’t actually religious, Republicans can’t complain too much when “the base” can’t understand why such distinctions can’t be written into the law.

Good luck with that, Governor Jindal—and you, too, Mitt Romney, with your own no-strings voucher proposal.

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7:45 pm 08/07/2012

griffin

Lol. Religion shouldn't be funded by the taxpayer at all, and neither should religious schooling. School vouchers are only a method of introducing some measure of choice to parents, and of course will end up getting used inevitably for religious schooling. I would only support school vouchers as being an improvemnet over what we currently have, which is essentially no choice at all. In and of itself the vouncher program is a bad idea. It makes the taxpayer pay for religious schooling he or she may disapprove of. How can that be right?

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8:42 pm 08/07/2012

Quaektem

This is quoting one Republican, Jindal wasn't asked if his program is working as intended.

As far as 'religious' schools... if they are providing the stare required level of education should parents (who pay taxes no matter where there crumb-crunchers go) be able to choose whatever means will provide that state mandated curriculum?

Quote by griffin:
It makes the taxpayer pay for religious schooling he or she may disapprove of. How can that be right?

What about the religious taxpayer who has to pay for secular schooling they may disapprove of? How can that be right?

It's making the taxpayer pay for an education that meets state education requirements... outside of that, should the parents not have a choice of where to send their kids? Remember the Pandora's box that gets opened here... once the institutions fall into the 'state mandate' trap, they will be forced to teach anything the state dictates... including evolution, safe sex, and alternative lifestyles. That is the counterbalance to state sponsored religious indoctrination.... if you don't teach what we want you to teach you get no money.

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10:10 pm 08/07/2012

griffin

Quote by Quaektem:
What about the religious taxpayer who has to pay for secular schooling they may disapprove of? How can that be right?


Indeed, that is true also.

Quote by Quaektem:
should the parents not have a choice of where to send their kids?


Only parents should have the choice of where to send their kids.

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12:23 am 09/07/2012

Viscera

Quote by Quaektem:
What about the religious taxpayer who has to pay for secular schooling they may disapprove of? How can that be right?


or the home schooler, who according to their convictions religious or not, don't get their taxes refunded even though they don't take advantage of the school system.

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12:42 am 09/07/2012

elsels

Have been on that boat, and spent not only money in taxes to fund public schools but also paid for the schooling for my children while at home and other activities while homeschooling as well as any state sponsored tests that are free for public school children but not homeschooled children. Now we pay tuition for a private school to ensure good education and we have gotten just that, I am thankful for the choices we have made for our youngest because all the other parents who put their kids in public schools last year in this area will have to move their children to the school in the neighborhood that has not met state's requirements in years but due to a waiver signed by Obama they are left without a choice. Sad but true.

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5:48 am 09/07/2012

griffin

Quote by Viscera:
or the home schooler, who according to their convictions religious or not, don't get their taxes refunded even though they don't take advantage of the school system.


So childless people should get a refund?

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7:08 am 09/07/2012

Quaektem

Well, if we are to be completely fair we eliminate public funded education all together and parents pay for their kid's education. It would be much cheaper than what they pay now in taxes over the course of their life for it now!

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8:17 pm 11/07/2012

Viscera

Quote by griffin:
Quote by Viscera:
or the home schooler, who according to their convictions religious or not, don't get their taxes refunded even though they don't take advantage of the school system.

So childless people should get a refund?


I believe they should. If your taxes are being used for a service that you don't use, maybe a voucher for some other service (dump stickers $120/year here, beach stickers $140/3 months here) something that would make it equitable.

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8:19 pm 11/07/2012

Viscera

Quote by Quaektem:
Well, if we are to be completely fair we eliminate public funded education all together and parents pay for their kid's education. It would be much cheaper than what they pay now in taxes over the course of their life for it now!


we averaged $350.00 a year having to buy curriculum as a homeschooling family. That was a computerized system (Switched on Schoolhouse) there are less expensive workbook based curriculums

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8:19 pm 11/07/2012

griffin

Quote by Viscera:
I believe they should. If your taxes are being used for a service that you don't use, maybe a voucher for some other service (dump stickers $120/year here, beach stickers $140/3 months here) something that would make it equitable.


Don't be ridiculous, that makes far too much sense.

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