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11 Year Old Girl Could Face Death Penalty

17 comments, 221 views, posted 2:20 pm 22/08/2012 in Religion by evolution
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Pakistani girl accused of Qur'an burning could face death penalty
Tensions rise between Muslim and Christian communities amid claims that 11-year-old desecrated text
Jon Boone | guardian.co.uk, Sunday 19 August 2012 15.25 EDT    

An 11-year-old Christian Pakistani girl could face the death penalty under the country's notorious blasphemy laws, after she was accused by her neighbours of deliberately burning sacred Islamic texts.

Rifta Masih was arrested on Thursday, after complaints against her prompted angry demonstrations. Asif Ali Zardari, the president, has ordered the interior ministry to investigate the case.

As communal tensions continued to rise, about 900 Christians living on the outskirts of Islamabad have been ordered to leave a neighbourhood where they have lived for almost two decades.

On Sunday, houses on the backstreets of Mehrabadi, an area 20 minutes' drive from western embassies and government ministries, were locked with padlocks, their occupants having fled to already overcrowded Christian slums in and around the capital.

One of the senior members of the dominant Muslim community told the Christians to remove all their belongings from their houses by 1 September. "I don't think anyone will dare go back after this," said one Christian, Arif Masih. "The area is not safe for us now."

A few brave souls have stayed behind, but shopkeepers have refused to serve their Christian neighbours or supply them with water. Locals say only about 10% of families in the area are Christian, renting cramped houses from Muslim landlords. They tend to do dirty, menial jobs such as sewer maintenance.

Relations between the communities had been simmering for months after complaints were made about the noise coming from three churches in the area during religious services. Two of the landlords who owned the buildings had already ordered an end to worship and some services were forcibly broken up.

But there was no indication that all the Christians would be forced out so suddenly until Rifta was accused of the provocative act of burning the sacred words of Islam.

It sparked immediate demonstrations by crowds estimated at between 600 and 1,000 people, some of whom blocked the nearby Kashmir highway, the major road running west out of the capital.

The police, initially unwilling to take action, eventually charged the girl with blasphemy and took her into custody. The rest of the community, including her parents, fled.

As with many other aspects of the incident, there is disagreement about exactly what was burned. Some say it was a small pocket book of Qur'anic verses. Others claim it was pages of the Qur'an. Either it was a relatively small quantity of ash carried in an earthenware dish, or it was around half a kilogram of refuse that filled a small plastic shopping bag.

Hammad Malik, a 23-year-old with a shaven head and bushy beard who is deemed a "scoundrel" by the Christian community, said he saw Rifta walking out of the tiny, single-room dwelling where she lived with her parents and sister at some time after 6pm. He said it was pure chance that he noticed her bundle.

"I looked at it but did not know exactly what it was but I could see it had words written in Arabic," he said.

He concedes that no one actually saw her burning anything as the offence allegedly happened inside the house, and she was caught while finding somewhere to throw away the remains. However, the local mullah claims there was a witness: another young girl who caught her in the act and then ran to the mosque to raise the alarm.

One thing the Muslim community does agree on is that claims in the local media, sourced to the police, that the girl has Down's syndrome are false.

"She is a completely normal girl," said Kamran Khan, cousin of the Masih family's landlord. As the largely male and grownup crowd gathered outside the house, a girl who said she knew Rifta said she did behave oddly – she talked to herself and walked in a peculiar way.

The other point of general agreement is that "the law should be followed". Unfortunately, the law in question is Pakistan's blasphemy law, which has a proven track record of ensnaring people on the flimsiest of evidence and being cynically used to intimidate communities or settle quarrels over money and property.

Even though no one has yet been executed for blasphemy in Pakistan, long prison terms are common – one Christian couple was sentenced to 25 years in 2010 after being accused of touching the Qur'an with unwashed hands.

There have also been cases of people killed by lynch mobs demanding instant punishment. Daring to criticise the law is incredibly risky and few do it.

In 2011, Salman Taseer, the former governor of Punjab province, was gunned down by his own bodyguard after he spoke out against the case of Aasia Bibi, another Christian woman accused of blasphemy.

The Christian community of Mehrabadi says the whole thing is a plot. They too have conflicting accounts of what happened. In one version, according to priest Boota Masih, a Muslim neighbour asked the girl to throw out the ash into which the desecrated pages had been placed.

Either way, one hotly contested incident involving a very young girl looks set to change the complexion of the neighbourhood for ever.

"They have done this to provoke the Muslims, like they have with their noisy banging and singing from their churches," said a local mullah, who would not give his name. "We are not upset the Christians have left and we will be pleased if they don't come back."

http://www.guardian.co.uk/world/2012/aug/19/pakistan-christian-tensions-quran-burning-allegations

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2:21 pm 22/08/2012

evolution

This is what the people want.

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3:10 pm 22/08/2012

z0phi3l

So you don't believe in equal protection under the law? So it's ok to lynch you because you're an Atheist? Since all it takes is an accusation and not any evidence how can I be wrong?

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4:39 pm 22/08/2012

evolution

Quote by z0phi3l:
So you don't believe in equal protection under the law? So it's ok to lynch you because you're an Atheist? Since all it takes is an accusation and not any evidence how can I be wrong?

That is exactly the point I was making: Majority does not make you right.

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4:50 pm 22/08/2012

PiratePoet

Odd... and here they wring their hands about the constitutionality of puttin' the Batman shooter down.

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5:34 pm 22/08/2012

HariSeldon

Obviously blasphemy laws are asinine.
Obviously the possible sentencing is barbaric

However, just think. We wouldn't be having this discussion if this little girls parents didn't tell her to go around burning what many - the majority in her case - feel are holy.

You want them to be tolerant? Show some tolerance yourself.

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8:55 pm 22/08/2012

Flee

I really don't get why Pakistan is an ally, while Iran is an enemy.

Where is the Taliban?
Where was Osama?
Which countries General was discovered to have sent money to the 9/11 attackers?
Which countries scientist got caught selling nuclear tech to Iran, North Korea, etc?

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10:35 pm 22/08/2012

Quaektem

Quote by HariSeldon:
You want them to be tolerant? Show some tolerance yourself.



First... SHE IS 11!

Second, how would she have gotten a hold of this book? Her parents were Christian. Did she steal it (in which case I'm sure someone would be running around outside claiming it was there Koran) or did her parents own one (pretty stupid in a country that sentenced a pair of Christians for 25 years for merely touching one!)

Third... where is the proof? One guy saw a burned book with Arabic writing (I'm sure the Koran isn't the only thing written in that language) and another little girl who claims she saw it happen (amazing how a woman is listened to only when she said something the men agree with)

Fourth... SHE IS FUCKING 11

If I went out into the middle of Boston Gardens and burned a Bible, the holy book of the majority of Bostonians, I would get yelled at, a few nasty letters, a bit of bad press, and would loose a friend... but no one would be calling for my life.

The intolerance is strictly one sided here... and it isn't the little girl.


If they burned a Bible in retaliation that would be a reasonable response.

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10:37 pm 22/08/2012

Quaektem

Quote by evolution:
one Christian couple was sentenced to 25 years in 2010 after being accused of touching the Qur'an with unwashed hands.



BTW, I was set up for exactly this when I was in Egypt. I was offered the Koran in front of twelve other men. I refused to take it, and they all were waiting to see what I would do. I'm sure the defense 'well they handed it to me!' would not have helped my case in Egyptian court.

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10:41 pm 22/08/2012

Flee

I just refuse to travel to those areas. I like my vacations to be the "catered to on a beach" variety

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10:46 pm 22/08/2012

Quaektem

My mother was getting married. I didn't go as a vacation I went because as her closest male relative I had legal standing over her that she herself didn't have and could petition the authorities to get her ass out of the country if something went sour.

It was far from a pleasure cruise but it was very eye opening.

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11:27 pm 22/08/2012

z0phi3l

Remember also, this is a Muslim Country, unlike in the civilized world, there you are guilty till they decide to let you prove otherwise, the girl and her family will not be given even the tiniest of a chance at an actual defense, the girl has already been declared guilty by the mob, it's only a matter of time before sentence is passed and completed, no chance at an appeal or anything like we have again in a civilized country

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2:25 am 23/08/2012

HariSeldon

Quote by Quaektem:
Quote by HariSeldon:
You want them to be tolerant? Show some tolerance yourself.


First... SHE IS 11! .

I know she is 11. That was my point. Assuming that she did burn the book it is highly doubtful she was sitting around bored and decided to do that. It was her parents brainwashing her.

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2:36 am 23/08/2012

Quaektem

Ah... of course it was the Christian parents' fault. I'm sure they were also the ones to scurry the girl out the back door with the ashes (instead of competently getting rid of them) in order to piss off the 90% Muslim majority so they would demand the exile of 897 of their Christian neighbors and the death of their daughter.

Makes perfect sense.

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2:30 pm 23/08/2012

HariSeldon

^ dude. It is not that complicated. You are not even reading what I wrote.

ASSUMING she burned the book it is most likely that her parents taught her that. Most likely her parents influenced her do such things. Again ASSUMING she did the burning
People do things all the time that pisses of 90% of the majority around them. They do so specifically to piss them off. Sometimes that is the only way for change to happen.

Your confidence she is innocent is based on nothing but emotions. It is possible she did what they accused her of.

My only point is that IF she did the deed, the parents probably taught her the hate that caused her to do so. Now the hate could very well stem from maltreatment. I can understand that. Just saying that IF she did it, her parents were the ones who influenced her to do so.

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4:47 pm 23/08/2012

Quaektem

Quote by HariSeldon:
ASSUMING she burned the book it is most likely that her parents taught her that.



So no dares from friends? No chance she's a pyro? It has to be the parents because when my kids draw on the walls and hose down the living room I showed then how to do that

Quote by HariSeldon:
Your confidence she is innocent is based on nothing but emotions. It is possible she did what they accused her of.



The 'confidence' that she is guilty is even flimsier than that. Two witnesses, another girl and a provocateur who might have seen Arabic writing? But yeah, let's assume she did it. how does that in any way justify the reactions of Muslims, their call for killing the girl and evicting close to 1,000 other Christians that had nothing to do with it.

Quote by HariSeldon:
My only point is that IF she did the deed, the parents probably taught her the hate that caused her to do so. Now the hate could very well stem from maltreatment. I can understand that. Just saying that IF she did it, her parents were the ones who influenced her to do so.



So when pre-Civil Rights black kids hated the whites, it was because there parents taught them to hate and had nothing to do with being maltreated, discriminated against, and treatment of their white peers? Man, talk about blaming the victims.

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4:55 pm 23/08/2012

HariSeldon

^ I give up. You still don't understand what I am saying.

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5:08 pm 23/08/2012

Quaektem

I guess I don't. You seem to be blaming the parents if she actually burned the book because you assume that if there daughter did it, they must hate Muslims... and even worse they might have set her up to be a martyr in there anti-Muslim cause.

What do I have wrong?

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