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Trump, Fascist, Media. Guns... an observation

17 comments, 568 views, posted 1:59 pm 18/02/2018 in Useful by DoomOnYou
DoomOnYou has 1628 posts, 47 threads, 0 points

What are your thoughts on this?

The liberal media is telling me that Trump is an out of control fascist and that I should be scared to death of him, yet they want to kill the second amendment and all the protections that I should have to fight the oppression of a fascist...

Isn't that EXACTLY what the 2nd Amendment is there to protect?

Thank you CNN for making my case

Extra Points Given by:

LordViscera (5), taz (5), z0phi3l (5), Quaektem (10), Edorph (3), REALITY (10)

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2:10 pm 18/02/2018

LordViscera

hhmm, kind of exactly what I was saying to Els this week about this topic. I would rather have the guns and let the debate continue,, then lose the guns and....there is no option after that.

Quote:
Democracy is two wolves and a lamb voting on what to have for lunch. Liberty is a well-armed lamb contesting the vote.~Ben Franklin
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3:49 pm 18/02/2018

bytehead

The Left does not want to kill the 2nd Amendment. That's the NRA talking shit for you. I'd say more here, but it sounds like the kool aid has already been swallowed if you are willing to believe such.

Trump is certainly out of control, possibly a fascist, but that's a call I'm not willing to make. This country has been attacked on it's own ground and this piece of shit just thinks that it claims, definitively, that there was no collusion. Sorry, read the indictment, it says that there is nothing in this indictment about possible collusion. Oh, and he doesn't give a fuck that Russia attacked us. Despite it being in the Constitution that he certainly should give a fuck. We await the indictments of the email hacks next, I'm sure, that may or may not (much more likely) point out conspiracy, the next one or two batches of indictments that wrap up the rest of the international intrigue, and then we'll start seeing the conspiracy indictments fall. Too many people are starting to flip, and whether it's money laundering, Russia simply having kompromat on Trump, or certainly the obstruction of justice that Trump has already admitted to, he's going to go down. And probably just as soon as the 2018 election is over.

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4:45 pm 18/02/2018

Edorph

Quote by LordViscera:
Quote:
Democracy is two wolves and a lamb voting on what to have for lunch. Liberty is a well-armed lamb contesting the vote.~Ben Franklin



(Don't get me wrong, it's a nice quote, and I'm sure it's in the spirit of Ben Franklin )

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4:56 pm 18/02/2018

LordViscera

Quote by Edorph:
Quote by LordViscera:
Quote:
Democracy is two wolves and a lamb voting on what to have for lunch. Liberty is a well-armed lamb contesting the vote.~Ben Franklin


(Don't get me wrong, it's a nice quote, and I'm sure it's in the spirit of Ben Franklin )

And is there any reason to disbelieve he said that?

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5:05 pm 18/02/2018

Edorph

Quote by LordViscera:
And is there any reason to disbelieve he said that?


It's the internet - there's reasons to disbelieve anyone ever said a damn thing (including wikiquote)
https://en.wikiquote.org/wiki/Benjamin_Franklin#Misattributed

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5:17 pm 18/02/2018

LordViscera

such cynicism....but maybe I read that on the internet

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5:40 pm 18/02/2018

z0phi3l

Quote by bytehead:
The Left does not want to kill the 2nd Amendment. That's the NRA talking shit for you. I'd say more here, but it sounds like the kool aid has already been swallowed if you are willing to believe such.

Trump is certainly out of control, possibly a fascist, but that's a call I'm not willing to make. This country has been attacked on it's own ground and this piece of shit just thinks that it claims, definitively, that there was no collusion. Sorry, read the indictment, it says that there is nothing in this indictment about possible collusion. Oh, and he doesn't give a fuck that Russia attacked us. Despite it being in the Constitution that he certainly should give a fuck. We await the indictments of the email hacks next, I'm sure, that may or may not (much more likely) point out conspiracy, the next one or two batches of indictments that wrap up the rest of the international intrigue, and then we'll start seeing the conspiracy indictments fall. Too many people are starting to flip, and whether it's money laundering, Russia simply having kompromat on Trump, or certainly the obstruction of justice that Trump has already admitted to, he's going to go down. And probably just as soon as the 2018 election is over.


A simple Google search proves your first point a lie
As for your insane ramblings about the president, those are the lies the Democrats desperately want people to believe


Can you give me ONE instance of Trump doing anything "fascist"? And not the exaggerated crying of the usual idiots on the left

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9:05 pm 18/02/2018

Quaektem

Quote by bytehead:
This country has been attacked on it's own ground

Um... wow. You know the only really successful thing they pulled off was an anti-Trump rally at Trump Tower after the election, right? You should be marching in lock-step comrade.

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9:36 pm 18/02/2018

tricpe

Quote by DoomOnYou:
What are your thoughts on this?

The liberal media is telling me that Trump is an out of control fascist and that I should be scared to death of him, yet they want to kill the second amendment and all the protections that I should have to fight the oppression of a fascist...

Isn't that EXACTLY what the 2nd Amendment is there to protect?

Thank you CNN for making my case

So you with your hand gun and an arsenal of assault rifles is a match for tanks, cannons, land mines, cluster bombs, helicopters, fighter jets, drones, chemical, biological and nuclear weapons?

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9:39 pm 18/02/2018

tricpe

Quote:
Democracy is two wolves and a lamb voting on what to have for lunch. Liberty is a well-armed lamb contesting the vote.~Ben Franklin

Because we have all seen that photo of good old Benny surrounded with his to the teeth armed slaves, none of which had absolutely no reason to shoot that loving creature

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10:10 pm 18/02/2018

LordViscera

Quote by tricpe:
Quote by DoomOnYou:
What are your thoughts on this?

The liberal media is telling me that Trump is an out of control fascist and that I should be scared to death of him, yet they want to kill the second amendment and all the protections that I should have to fight the oppression of a fascist...

Isn't that EXACTLY what the 2nd Amendment is there to protect?

Thank you CNN for making my case
So you with your hand gun and an arsenal of assault rifles is a match for tanks, cannons, land mines, cluster bombs, helicopters, fighter jets, drones, chemical, biological and nuclear weapons?


nope, but he s for those idiots who think they can come and take what is his, like BLM, Occupy Wall St and the idiots who decide to riot and loot and redistribute wealth forcefully. But if enough of the populous is armed, then the "govt" has to decide if it's worth the risk and likelihood to attempt a military crackdown. But hey, let's all hope that demonstrations and concerts singing about freedom will be of any use. smh

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10:12 pm 18/02/2018

LordViscera

Quote by tricpe:
Quote:
Democracy is two wolves and a lamb voting on what to have for lunch. Liberty is a well-armed lamb contesting the vote.~Ben Franklin
Because we have all seen that photo of good old Benny surrounded with his to the teeth armed slaves, none of which had absolutely no reason to shoot that loving creature


you might need to see a counselor about your position on how evil everyone else is, and seemingly you forget how virtuous the history of Europe, Asia, and the Balkans is. Just sayin

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11:01 pm 18/02/2018

Edorph

Quote by LordViscera:
nope, but he s for those idiots who think they can come and take what is his, like BLM, Occupy Wall St and the idiots who decide to riot and loot and redistribute wealth forcefully. But if enough of the populous is armed, then the "govt" has to decide if it's worth the risk and likelihood to attempt a military crackdown. But hey, let's all hope that demonstrations and concerts singing about freedom will be of any use.


If you look beyond being just strictly for or against the 2nd amendment, the tanks and helicopter thing is sort of a fair point though. We've all presumably made an assessment about risk of oppression from fascist dictators vs our kids getting killed en-masse by unstable people, and decided that certain armaments are better left away from the hands of ordinary people. I haven't seen the segments DoY is talking about, but assuming he's writing slightly hyperbolic, it's not unimaginable that someone could argue for simply stricter/better gun control, and at the same time being in favor of the 2nd amendment. (Or is it?) Whether the bar ought to be set at AR15s, mental health / background checks or whatnot is different question imho. (Different from DoY's paradoxical observation, I mean.)

Quote by LordViscera:
(...) your position on how evil everyone else is


Now that is a well spotted speck of sawdust, mister everyone-wants-me-bankrupt-and-starving ;-)

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2:48 am 19/02/2018

bytehead

Quote by z0phi3l:
A simple Google search proves your first point a lie


A check of common sense would say that you are lying.

Start arguing facts, not bullshit opinions.

Quote by z0phi3l:
Can you give me ONE instance of Trump doing anything "fascist"?


Quote by bytehead:
Trump is certainly out of control, possibly a fascist, but that's a call I'm not willing to make


I'm not arguing it. Jesus fucking Christ.

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4:04 am 19/02/2018

LordViscera

Quote by Edorph:
Now that is a well spotted speck of sawdust, mister everyone-wants-me-bankrupt-and-starving ;-)


I don't think everyone wants me there, but there are a great many in this country who don't care if that is what happens because I'm of the wrong political persuasion and ethnic makeup. If I were a gay/minority/female/liberal, I'd have a freakin Pell grant, small business loan and insurance I don't have to pay for

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4:18 am 19/02/2018

LordViscera

Quote by Edorph:
If you look beyond being just strictly for or against the 2nd amendment, the tanks and helicopter thing is sort of a fair point though.

I don't argue that, but to be honest, if the govt wanted us dead then drones and Raptor jets will take care of that even if we had RPGs and 50 cal machine guns so what's the point? Look at history, and the only time that armed govt oppression has taken place, the populous was disarmed first. History is there for a reason and debate isn't the purpose imo.


Quote by Edorph:
We've all presumably made an assessment about risk of oppression from fascist dictators vs our kids getting killed en-masse by unstable people, and decided that certain armaments are better left away from the hands of ordinary people. I haven't seen the segments DoY is talking about, but assuming he's writing slightly hyperbolic, it's not unimaginable that someone could argue for simply stricter/better gun control, and at the same time being in favor of the 2nd amendment. (Or is it?) Whether the bar ought to be set at AR15s, mental health / background checks or whatnot is different question imho. (Different from DoY's paradoxical observation, I mean.)

Highest Gun ownership rates
1) US 2) Norway 3) Canada 4) Australia 5) Israel

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And in regards to doing due diligence to mental health and preventing people from having firearms, I believe that is the primary role of law enforcement in this case. But to make a sweeping generalization saying all people must be prevented from owning "X" because someone wants to feel better about the issue hasn't worked in the past on any topic, so where in a person's imagination do they think it will work here? Criminals will get the guns if they want one. I could go and buy a pistol in Hyannis tomorrow if I wanted to. I could get an AR-15 in a couple of weeks if I wanted to wait. So...if I have an intention to do harm, do you really think that a law saying there will be a fine and some prison time will be a deterrent?


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3:18 pm 20/02/2018

Vormid

Banning a model, or type of weapon isn't going to change what is happening. If the sale of the AR-15 and equivalent were banned there are millions of them already saturating the US. If banned they would be re-sold at inflated prices at gun shows. The manufacturers would kick out the next best thing without some feature that defines it as happened after the Brady Bill. i.e the Mini 14.

The thing about the AR-15 and it's close cousins is that they are incredibly easy to shoot and maintain. Literally any idiot or child can shoot them. There so little recoil you would think you were shooting a glorified version of a pellet gun. There is a reason it was the choice weapon for the US Military for decades. You can take any yahoo and teach him to shoot reasonably accurate enough to take out dozens of people in minutes.

I do not put the blame of school shootings onto Trump or any other president. If I were to place a blame for any of it I would lay it on the head of Congress and the NRA for pushing (with Millions of Dollars) a false narrative. I am sure after every shooting and every-time Congress even thinks about a control measure that the sales go through the roof. Even I think "better get one before I can't". I like shooting them, mainly because it's easy and I did it for years. then I think. Why? Why do I want one? I can't hunt with it. I'm not going to target practice with it (cause I'm lazy or it's not a priority) and it would be shit for home defense unless I'm sniping crowds of insurgents coming down my cul-de-sac. For home defense .12 guage would probably scare anyone away with the first shell racked, have less of a chance of accidentally shooting someone 300 meters away and work better in close quarters with the exception of a handgun and that's probably debatable. Even with that logic part of my brain says " I want one". WHY?

We have debated (here, there and everywhere) the 2nd Amendment and the accepted interpretation is not going away.

If the conversation of mass shootings immediately turns to the extremes nothing will ever be solved. I believe this is by design. Until gun owners, non gun owners, hot heads and casuals can get past the initial all or nothing mentality nothing will ever ever change.

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